Sengkelat vs. Parungsari

Greybeard · 29th June 2009, 10:55 AM

Hi all

Sorry for disturbing you again with my questions. But I`m here to learn, and this is a great place to learn about keris!

I collect older Javanese keris with a special interest in the 13 luk dapurs. Now my question: What`s the difference between dapur Sengkelat and dapur Parungsari? Both seem to be almost identical with the exception of the lambe gajah (Sengkelat = 1; Parungsari = 2). Is this the only difference? What about jenggot? I have seen examples of both dapurs with and without jenggot.

Regards,

Heinz

ferrylaki · 29th June 2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Greybeard

Hi all

Sorry for disturbing you again with my questions. But I`m here to learn, and this is a great place to learn about keris!

I collect older Javanese keris with a special interest in the 13 luk dapurs. Now my question: What`s the difference between dapur Sengkelat and dapur Parungsari? Both seem to be almost identical with the exception of the lambe gajah (Sengkelat = 1; Parungsari = 2). Is this the only difference? What about jenggot? I have seen examples of both dapurs with and without jenggot.

Regards,

Heinz

I will answer your question based on the book 'dhapur'.
dhapur sangkelat has ricikan : 13 waves, sekar kacang, jalen, lambe gajah, sogokan, tikel alis,sraweyan, greneng (1 ron dha).

dhapur parung sari tipe (A) has ricikan: same as sangkelat, with exeption : 2 lambe gajah, 2 ron dha, 1 rondha nunut.

dhapur parung sari tipe (B) : same as sangkelat with exeption: 2 lambe gajah, with jenggot.

dhapur parung sari tipe (C) : same as sangkelat, with exeption: 2 lambe gajah, and with 2 ron dha.

hope this can help.

Greybeard · 29th June 2009, 01:30 PM

Many thanks, Ferrylaki. This helps a lot!

I already own several keris with dapur Sengkelat from different periods and with different luk styles. Now I`m going to buy my first Parungsari keris (I think it`s type c). Then I hope to find the types a) and b), too.

Best regards,

Heinz

mykeris · 29th June 2009, 01:56 PM

Yes I like kris with 13 luks and I intend to collect them, I am a bit confused too, on both of these dapurs. Perhaps, we should raise the questions: why are there many versions of Parung Sari, what is Parung Sari or its origin or may be its functions as compared to the legendary Sengkelat. Perhaps, its beneficial to see photos of Sengkelat and various versions of Parung Sari posted to this forum..Looking forward to see.

Greybeard · 29th June 2009, 02:24 PM

Hello Mykeris

I agree, photos would help to illustrate the features (ricikan) of the two dapurs resp. the differences between them.

Regards,

Heinz

mykeris · 2nd July 2009, 08:56 AM

Could it be Parungsari?

29th June 2009, 10:55 AM	#1
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	Sengkelat vs. Parungsari Hi all Sorry for disturbing you again with my questions. But I`m here to learn, and this is a great place to learn about keris! I collect older Javanese keris with a special interest in the 13 luk dapurs. Now my question: What`s the difference between dapur Sengkelat and dapur Parungsari? Both seem to be almost identical with the exception of the lambe gajah (Sengkelat = 1; Parungsari = 2). Is this the only difference? What about jenggot? I have seen examples of both dapurs with and without jenggot. Regards, Heinz

29th June 2009, 01:56 PM	#4
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Yes I like kris with 13 luks and I intend to collect them, I am a bit confused too, on both of these dapurs. Perhaps, we should raise the questions: why are there many versions of Parung Sari, what is Parung Sari or its origin or may be its functions as compared to the legendary Sengkelat. Perhaps, its beneficial to see photos of Sengkelat and various versions of Parung Sari posted to this forum..Looking forward to see. Last edited by mykeris; 29th June 2009 at 03:37 PM. Reason: correction

29th June 2009, 01:30 PM	#3
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	Many thanks, Ferrylaki. This helps a lot! I already own several keris with dapur Sengkelat from different periods and with different luk styles. Now I`m going to buy my first Parungsari keris (I think it`s type c). Then I hope to find the types a) and b), too. Best regards, Heinz

29th June 2009, 02:24 PM	#5
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	Hello Mykeris I agree, photos would help to illustrate the features (ricikan) of the two dapurs resp. the differences between them. Regards, Heinz