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Old 20th December 2005, 11:54 AM   #1
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Default Features of this keris.

The pointed top end at the sides, are these Pudak Sategal?
Normally on a Dapur Pandawa Karno Tinanding blade, there is a pair of lis-lisan but this blade seems to have Pudak Sategal instead.
I wanted to confirm this feature. Please assist.

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Old 20th December 2005, 01:13 PM   #2
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Yep, that's what i'd call 'em. But then, what do i know?
BTW, nice modern keris craft, that.
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Old 20th December 2005, 02:43 PM   #3
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Hello,

One thing strikes me about this kind of keris: I can draw a parallel to architecture, specifically Rayonnant Gothic architecture. Each element of the ricikan, from greneng to to gajah and memet, is so highly defined and almost exagerated in the portrayal of its function. They're both organic.
Just wanted to share this thought.
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Old 21st December 2005, 04:40 AM   #4
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A fascinating modern keris version. I am attracted by it and yet confused by it. IN the same vein as Manolo, it's like sculpture. Could this be a new evolution of the keris? Could this be the start of a new keris tradition?
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Old 21st December 2005, 07:14 AM   #5
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Manolo, good observation. It's like a 'champion' model of the swiss army knife, where there are many features...on this one.

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Battara: Could this be a new evolution of the keris
Battara, possibly it may. I'm not surprised if in the future, perhaps you can order a piece with features that you like, a custom-made piece.

Nechesh, modern it is. But 'internally' does not necessarily be 'empty'.

What I'm wondering is, with Pudak Setegal, can this keris dapur still be called
Dapur Pandawa Karno Tinanding or instead
Dapur Pandawa Karno Tinanding Pudak Sategal or
something else altogether?
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Old 21st December 2005, 08:21 AM   #6
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I guess this is how new catagories of things (keris) start.
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Old 21st December 2005, 03:42 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Alam Shah
Nechesh, modern it is. But 'internally' does not necessarily be 'empty'.

What I'm wondering is, with Pudak Setegal, can this keris dapur still be called
Dapur Pandawa Karno Tinanding or instead
Dapur Pandawa Karno Tinanding Pudak Sategal or
something else altogether?
Sorry Alam Shah, i am not quite sure what you mean by this first statement. Did i somehow imply i thought this keris to be "empty". Personally, i quite like the blade.
As to what to call it, i new name might be in order. Certainly to tack Pudak Sategal on the end does tell the story.
As to whether in the future one could order a keris with custom made features, wasn't this, to some extent, always the case in the past. There were, of course, restrictions on class and hierarchy, but wouldn't a client tell the empu or pande what he wanted in his keris, what he needed in his life and wouldn't that dictate the dapor and pamor he would receive. These days we are not held to the same cultural constricts of the past so i think keris design may continue to get a bit more "experimental". It could indeed prove to be a rennisance (spl?) of the art if collectors become more open to adding modern keris to their collections.
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