Keris Panji Kuda

Marcokeris · 4th April 2009, 11:21 PM

I like a lot this dapur

ganjawulung · 5th April 2009, 10:13 AM

Dear Marco,

Basically, your keris has "two dhapurs" in one blade. That is luk three "naga" dhapur, and an "urubing dilah" or "damar murub" dhapur (one more luk almost in the tip of the blade) of "Singabarong" dhapur. Overal, this blade has five luks including the urubing dilah. In daily conversation among keris people in Yogya, and I think Solo too, also in Jakarta -- we call it keris with dhapur name, "dwi warna" (correction, not "dwi dhapur"), or keris with two dhapurs in one blade.

Why did you call it "panji kuda"? (Panji literally means "flag", and kuda means "horse"...)

GANJAWULUNG

Marcokeris · 5th April 2009, 01:03 PM

Dear Ganja
I have used "Panji Kuda" because in the Javanese book "Dhapur" at pag. 48 pic. 93 there is the same keris. (Also in "Keris dan magic -manfaat-tuah-misteri at pag.362 the same picture)
If i have a scanner a can show you the picture but....my scanner not work well )

I hope to see you again (July)

asomotif · 5th April 2009, 01:21 PM

Nice keris !

The ukiran and mendak are also immaculate.
Is there a scabbard ?

Best regards,
Willem

Alam Shah · 5th April 2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcokeris

.. I have used "Panji Kuda" because in the Javanese book "Dhapur" at pag. 48 pic. 93 there is the same keris. (Also in "Keris dan magic -manfaat-tuah-misteri at pag.362 the same picture)
If i have a scanner a can show you the picture but....my scanner not work well )

Hi all,
I've took the liberty to take a snapshot from "Dhapur" for discussion. The one in Ki Hudoyo's "Keris...", I think it is from the same source. My question is, why call it "Panji Kuda"? A bit strange to me. Literally, I would have translate it as what ganjawulung did.. panji = banner, flag; kuda = horse. It might be the symbolic representation of these elements which forms the philosophy of this keris form, taking note of the uribing dilah, the naga and the barong..?

Marcokeris · 5th April 2009, 02:20 PM

Thanks Shahrial for the pic.
Willem this is the Yogya timoho sarong (...and two others pics)

Alam Shah · 5th April 2009, 02:55 PM

Lovely piece, congratulations!

Love the hilt, mendak, sheath and blade.. that's about everything..

The blade layering can be seen very clearly with such nice photography, highly appreciated. Thanks for sharing.

Amuk Murugul · 12th April 2009, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Hi all,
I've took the liberty to take a snapshot from "Dhapur" for discussion. The one in Ki Hudoyo's "Keris...", I think it is from the same source. My question is, why call it "Panji Kuda"? A bit strange to me. Literally, I would have translate it as what ganjawulung did.. panji = banner, flag; kuda = horse. It might be the symbolic representation of these elements which forms the philosophy of this keris form, taking note of the uribing dilah, the naga and the barong..?

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung

.......... But this dhapur name is still a question, why "panji kuda"...

Hullo everybody,

Marcokeris/AlamShah,

As no one has yet provided a translation, here is my interpretation:

The blade has three arcs/curves from the base to the tip, with a straight section in the middle. The front edge has a lion at the base while the back edge has a jungle-king-serpent's head at the base, with its tail ending almost at the tip. The base area is decorated/adorned.The segment attached to the base of the blade has a curvy/wavy shaped bottom and its tail-end is adorned with fretwork.

Alam Shah/ganjawulung,

I believe the name to be a corruption of the original words, which meant: God's Almanac.

Best,

A. G. Maisey · 13th April 2009, 08:10 AM

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I believe the name to be a corruption of the original words, which meant: God's Almanac.

I find this idea fascinating.

Amuk Murugul, would you be so kind as to explain your line of reasoning?

Thank you.

4th April 2009, 11:21 PM	#1
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Keris Panji Kuda I like a lot this dapur Attached Images

5th April 2009, 10:13 AM	#2
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	TWO IN ONE -- Naga and Singabarong Dear Marco, Basically, your keris has "two dhapurs" in one blade. That is luk three "naga" dhapur, and an "urubing dilah" or "damar murub" dhapur (one more luk almost in the tip of the blade) of "Singabarong" dhapur. Overal, this blade has five luks including the urubing dilah. In daily conversation among keris people in Yogya, and I think Solo too, also in Jakarta -- we call it keris with dhapur name, "dwi warna" (correction, not "dwi dhapur"), or keris with two dhapurs in one blade. Why did you call it "panji kuda"? (Panji literally means "flag", and kuda means "horse"...) GANJAWULUNG Last edited by ganjawulung; 6th April 2009 at 02:10 AM. Reason: Mispellings

5th April 2009, 02:20 PM	#6
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Thanks Shahrial for the pic. Willem this is the Yogya timoho sarong (...and two others pics) Attached Images

5th April 2009, 01:03 PM	#3
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Dear Ganja I have used "Panji Kuda" because in the Javanese book "Dhapur" at pag. 48 pic. 93 there is the same keris. (Also in "Keris dan magic -manfaat-tuah-misteri at pag.362 the same picture) If i have a scanner a can show you the picture but....my scanner not work well ) I hope to see you again (July)

5th April 2009, 01:21 PM	#4
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Nice keris ! The ukiran and mendak are also immaculate. Is there a scabbard ? Best regards, Willem

5th April 2009, 02:55 PM	#7
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Lovely piece, congratulations! Love the hilt, mendak, sheath and blade.. that's about everything.. The blade layering can be seen very clearly with such nice photography, highly appreciated. Thanks for sharing.