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Hello
This is one of mine, wondering if its old and Balinese or lombok. Also if there is a reference for Bali dhapurs . Thank you for your time. Ivo Last edited by ivoke; 22nd December 2011 at 05:33 PM. |
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Hello,
Your 17 luk blade looks Balinese and well made, but I cannot comment about its estimated age. The kojongan style sheath is more common in Lombok. The 2 reference books for dapur of Bali/ Lombok blades are: . Keris di Lombok by Ir Lalu Djelenga (2000), pages 177-197 . Keris Bali Bersejarah (Neka Art Museum), pages 82-92 I checked in both books and your blade does not match with any standard dapur but these are less strongly established than in Java I think. Best regards |
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Thank you,
concerning 15 and 17.... my bank also says i cant count well. ![]() |
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Amazing hilt :-)......also sarong
....about dapur: there is another little book. The name of book is: " Bentuk & Gaya KERIS Nusa Tenggara Barat" |
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Looks like a nicely formed blade, but i don't find the hilt particularly impressive Marco. It is merely a later simplified version that attempts to mimic the pattern formed when the grip on this style was done with woven wire.
I agree with Jean that you most often see this sarong form from Lombok. The blade is a classic Bali form (though 17 luk is more rare), but given the connections between Bali and Lombok i wouldn't count out either as an origin. I can't quite get a close enough look at this blade to call it old or contemporary, but it does seem to be of good quality. |
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Hello Ivoke,
very nice and good worked blade and good hilt. To my eyes it seems to be a keris with some age. Difficult to say if it is from Bali or Lombok. Regards, Detlef |
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thanks for your comments, and my son will know wich books to hunt down for the old man's birthday.
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Thank you for your replies, learned alot.
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Jean, it is not at all unusual to encounter Balinese blades that are pamor sanak or just plain iron on the outside with a steel core. Most especially we should not be surprised to see this in a large blade, as the bigger the blade, the more difficult it can become to satisfactorily produce a pamor effect. Possibly this blade appears just exactly as it should appear. The cleaning/staining process cannot alter the foundation.
Certainly, we all hope for a brilliant pamor to emerge from obscurity when we clean and stain a blade, but that does not always happen. I've had some very sobering experiences during my lifetime in this regard. In respect of counting luk. The way we count now is an accepted convention, as with most keris conventions that are popularly accepted, it is a Javanese convention. In some other places luk are not necessarily counted in exactly the same way. However, if we are to count in way of the current fashion, the easiest way is to start the count at the convex luk directly above the gandhik, then progress to the point by counting the convex waves on alternate sides of the blade, making certain to finish with an uneven number on the same side of the blade as the gandhik. |
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