Curious Kris

ThePepperSkull · 28th October 2011, 08:53 AM

Posting this for posterity and to share this unusual piece. I think I've seen similar pieces but these aren't as common so I thought I'd share. Actually I'm surprised pics of this have not turned up on here yet.

If this is in the hands of anybody reading this, please post more pics of it! As always if anyone has anything to add, please do so!

ThePepperSkull · 28th October 2011, 08:55 AM

More pics.

Which region is this "Elephant Trunk" shape typically attributed to? Maguindanao?

Anyone familiar with Okir? The carving style looks unfamiliar to me but admittedly as little my eyes are trained to see the subtleties in blade shapes, they are even less attuned to recognize Okir.

Henk · 28th October 2011, 09:33 AM

My careful guess is that this kris has a broken tip that is reshaped into a dagger like tip. Still a very nice piece.

Gavin Nugent · 28th October 2011, 01:29 PM

A very very very rare Moro Sabre.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=rare+moro

It has been a very long time since I read Cato so I can not rememeber if these are mentioned...anyone care to comment?

Battara · 28th October 2011, 05:21 PM

Yes this is a kris varient. I agree that the trunk looks like the Maguindanao cross over type but the scabbard looks more Sulu. Not unheard of to do trade between the groups.

Rick · 28th October 2011, 07:19 PM

I think that this shape was made a purpose rather than reshaped .
The fuller curves up at the point .

I envy the owner .

Sajen · 29th October 2011, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThePepperSkull

Actually I'm surprised pics of this have not turned up on here yet.

When I remember correct there have been a thread before where was shown a kris with the same shape/tip. But can't remember when and where.

But did someone have seen before something like this: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=250919366807
The kris was listed at 27.10.11 and ended early at 28.10.11, I was the first bidder but I think that someone did a a deal with the seller.

Any comments?

Regards,

Detlef

kino · 29th October 2011, 02:15 PM

Sajen-Thanks for posting the link. With another forum member, we have seen and handled one very similar. The one you posted seems to be missing it's pommel. The one we handled had a ivory Kakatua. It was very graceful with a flexy blade. My thoughts are that the one we handled was a captured Euro., blade modified by a Panday (added the elephant trunk, ganya..). This one you posted is the 2nd one I've ever seen.

I'll post the link later, unless someone beats me to it

Sajen · 29th October 2011, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kino

Sajen-Thanks for posting the link. With another forum member, we have seen and handled one very similar. The one you posted seems to be missing it's pommel. The one we handled had a ivory Kakatua. It was very graceful with a flexy blade. My thoughts are that the one we handled was a captured Euro., blade modified by a Panday (added the elephant trunk, ganya..). This one you posted is the 2nd one I've ever seen.

I'll post the link later, unless someone beats me to it

Hello Kino,

yes, the seller write in his description: "The pommel piece is missing"

Regards,

Detlef

migueldiaz · 30th October 2011, 12:24 PM

There's a similar piece from the Burke Museum in Seattle. The link to the photo album is here.

Gavin Nugent · 30th October 2011, 12:52 PM

An awesome example, thanks for sharing.

28th October 2011, 08:53 AM	#1
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	Curious Kris Posting this for posterity and to share this unusual piece. I think I've seen similar pieces but these aren't as common so I thought I'd share. Actually I'm surprised pics of this have not turned up on here yet. If this is in the hands of anybody reading this, please post more pics of it! As always if anyone has anything to add, please do so! Attached Images

28th October 2011, 08:55 AM	#2
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	More pics. Which region is this "Elephant Trunk" shape typically attributed to? Maguindanao? Anyone familiar with Okir? The carving style looks unfamiliar to me but admittedly as little my eyes are trained to see the subtleties in blade shapes, they are even less attuned to recognize Okir. Attached Images Last edited by ThePepperSkull; 28th October 2011 at 09:28 AM.

28th October 2011, 01:29 PM	#4
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	A very very very rare Moro Sabre. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=rare+moro It has been a very long time since I read Cato so I can not rememeber if these are mentioned...anyone care to comment? Attached Images Last edited by freebooter; 28th October 2011 at 01:39 PM.

30th October 2011, 12:24 PM	#10
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	There's a similar piece from the Burke Museum in Seattle. The link to the photo album is here. Attached Images

28th October 2011, 09:33 AM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	My careful guess is that this kris has a broken tip that is reshaped into a dagger like tip. Still a very nice piece.

28th October 2011, 05:21 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,229	Yes this is a kris varient. I agree that the trunk looks like the Maguindanao cross over type but the scabbard looks more Sulu. Not unheard of to do trade between the groups.

28th October 2011, 07:19 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,294	I think that this shape was made a purpose rather than reshaped . The fuller curves up at the point . I envy the owner .

29th October 2011, 02:15 PM	#8
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,007	Sajen-Thanks for posting the link. With another forum member, we have seen and handled one very similar. The one you posted seems to be missing it's pommel. The one we handled had a ivory Kakatua. It was very graceful with a flexy blade. My thoughts are that the one we handled was a captured Euro., blade modified by a Panday (added the elephant trunk, ganya..). This one you posted is the 2nd one I've ever seen. I'll post the link later, unless someone beats me to it

30th October 2011, 12:52 PM	#11
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	An awesome example, thanks for sharing.