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Old 26th April 2013, 07:03 PM   #1
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New addition. What I believe to be a Zanzibar Nimcha. Overall length 35 inches, blade length 29 inches, blade width 1 5/16 inches and 1/4 inch at its thickest, it is very sharp with the 4 1/2 inch false edge also extremely sharp. Although this does not have the 'guard ring', the hilt shape, the quillion type, the blade profile and the peaked silver collar on the grip lead me to think this is a Zanzibar type. See thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=nimcha and the post by LPCA/Louis-Pierre. I look forward as usual to your thoughts and comments.
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Old 29th April 2013, 06:09 PM   #3
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Hi,
New addition. What I believe to be a Zanzibar Nimcha. Overall length 35 inches, blade length 29 inches, blade width 1 5/16 inches and 1/4 inch at its thickest, it is very sharp with the 4 1/2 inch false edge also extremely sharp. Although this does not have the 'guard ring', the hilt shape, the quillion type, the blade profile and the peaked silver collar on the grip lead me to think this is a Zanzibar type. See thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=nimcha and the post by LPCA/Louis-Pierre. I look forward as usual to your thoughts and comments.
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Salaams Norman McCormick, Nice to see your Zanzibari Nimcha. Buttin as portrayed in your reference clearly earmarks this style in his sketches. The mixups occur in the other similar styles from North Africa especially the Moroccan and Algerian ... the later having closonne decoration and which can be found at library at my second reference below.

see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...nzibari+nimcha and a real treat of Moroccan style on thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4782 see # 13 of this reference for clossonne decoration.

What is also interesting is where the hilts blades and scabbards were made. We usually see scabbards decorated in a sort of repeated swirl on the leather. The link to the fabulously decorated elephant tusk hilt with gold decoration is clear. The blades appear European in style but some local manufacture Hadramaut ? seems likely and I do not rule out Indian blades Hyderabadi... due to trade links etc. Some of the hilts will be rosewood and others Rhino.
What is questionable is who wore these swords?.. To me it seems likely that the lavishly decorated version hung on the VIP waist... so they must have been Omanis .. Merchants, Royal Family, and important Officials...Ministers and slave traders, Captains and Admirals.. etc. They were technically Zanzibari but when it was owned by Oman... worn by Omani VIPs.
Your sword would surely have been the more practical version worn by officers, sea traders and seafarers more than likely Omani officers. I would even go so far as to put this style in the military category.
The only real evidence is Buttin and other publications such as the late Anthony North.. Islamic Arms.... (and our own library !!)as more exact details are difficult to ascertain even in Muscat museums.
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Old 30th April 2013, 05:46 PM   #4
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Hi Ibrahiim,
Many thanks for your input and interest. I would certainly agree that this Nimcha is definitely of the using kind and not merely for decoration. I am in two minds about the origin of the blade i.e. is it European or Indian etc.? The ricasso makes me steer towards Euro trade blade and probably the earlier part of the 19thC. Thanks once again for the info.
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Hi Ibrahiim,
Many thanks for your input and interest. I would certainly agree that this Nimcha is definitely of the using kind and not merely for decoration. I am in two minds about the origin of the blade i.e. is it European or Indian etc.? The ricasso makes me steer towards Euro trade blade and probably the earlier part of the 19thC. Thanks once again for the info.
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Hello Norman and Salaams. I just wanted to get a reference onto your post because I dont want to lose the importance of your pictures etc.. The area I am looking here at is the Quillon end decoration since I have recently posted a comb with similar decoration to the Ivory and Gold Nimcha more or less indicating a Zanzibari provenance which in turn shines a similar light onto the decorated quillons as being Zanzibari. This would thus confirm your sword as coming from the same region..
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Old 15th April 2014, 09:07 PM   #6
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Hi Ibrahiim,
Many thanks for your continued interest and added illustrative images. I am, of course, following closely the excellent discussion on these weapons currently running on the Forum. Thanks again.
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Many thanks for your continued interest and added illustrative images. I am, of course, following closely the excellent discussion on these weapons currently running on the Forum. Thanks again.
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Thank You Norman... Your posts are always excellent and supportive.

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