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Old 10th June 2011, 12:17 PM   #1
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I found by chance, confirmation that the strings and small bells attached to the purse containing the "Bukhara kard" who is with me, was very original
just by looking accurately a beautiful painting dated 1845
that purse, with fringes, strings and small bells, intrigued me a lot,
until I was having a doubt about their origins
now, after have made a comparison I'm more comfortable
judge it by yourself

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Old 10th June 2011, 04:26 PM   #2
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Dom: That's a great looking knife and pouch. Great oil painting. And you noticed the cords and bells just by chance? Great. Wish I new someone who could make these cords, bells, beads etc. in traditional style. Rick.
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Old 10th June 2011, 04:49 PM   #3
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Great oil painting. And you noticed the cords and bells just by chance?
Hi Rick
due to my interest of "Islamic Art" I'm follow the auctions, and sometimes I'm going to tried my ... luck
but this painting has an estimation too high for me, also ... also, I can not pay me over than a look at this painting, no more ...
the catalogue
http://www.gros-delettrez.com/flash/...&idCp=1&lng=fr
the painting
http://www.gros-delettrez.com/html/f...dre=1&aff=1&r=

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Old 10th June 2011, 05:41 PM   #4
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Dom: Thanks for the email. I often think that the price we pay for our antique weapons is sometimes high. Until I see what original historic art work goes for. And the art work usually goes for more than the high estimate Rick.
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Old 10th June 2011, 07:23 PM   #5
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Hi Dom,
I just wanted to thank you for this brilliant bit of detective work, and the great graphics work and detail you have added in presenting this. While not necessarily in my fields of study as far as the items, I am intrigued by the way you have incorporated the realm of art to the identification of weapons, something long established but not commonly practiced by antique arms enthusiasts. If there were a book focused on any field of study of arms and armour with this kind of detail with this kind of presentation, it would in my opinion, be #1 for reference. Well done!!!!

The late A.V.B.Norman well illustrated this practice by using classical art and portraiture to establish period provenance on many European hilt forms, and truly set the pace for the identification of these forms. It is well known that using the fabulous 'miniatures' in art of Persia and India, these have often been instrumental in establishing benchmarks in the appearance of certain weapons.

Art is a most valuable resource for study in all manner of identification of antiquities, allowing for caution in some cases with items which are known to have been props and studies used for artistic effect, such as evidenced in many classical Biblical works such as done by Rembrandt.

While few can readily afford the expensive works themselves, which in our case often serve as references rather than collectibles, it seems that there are copies or prints reasonably priced and available.

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Old 10th June 2011, 11:42 PM   #6
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While few can readily afford the expensive works themselves, which in our case often serve as references rather than collectibles, it seems that there are copies or prints reasonably priced and available.

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Thanks you both; Rick & Jim for your nice words
I do not like do ..., "as if "
in case of, I can afford,
I take great pleasure to get an "original", even for a painting

which here would be happy with a copy of a weapon ?
for me it's frustrating
because I should does do "as if" I was having enough money ... that I haven't

in front to a wonderful wonder, after a mental checking of my wallet, I take it or
I put my hands in my back, and I watch ...
my decision will be; an original or nothing

I know that, I can't have everything ...
it's the life, and anyway, it's nice ... the life even like that

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ps/ at the same auction, here the second catalog, with some edged weapons
http://www.gros-delettrez.com/flash/...&idCp=1&lng=fr
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