Introduction with a question

Sajen · 14th January 2009, 04:07 PM

Hello gentlemen,
I am already longer a member here and follow nearly every day the discussions posted here. I am collecting since 1992 keris when I have had my first trip to Indonesia, Java. Infected with the keris-fever my collection grow up every year.
Until now I never found the time to record here something because I am to busy by my work and also bought a old house some years ago.
Please apologise my not perfect english.
Here my question:
2001 I bought on Bali two small Sumatra keris. A similar example I found in the book "The Invincible Krises 2" on page 142/3, not from the blade but from the sheath, I think that it is the same material. Mrs. Ghiringhelli write that she wasn't able to identify the kind of bone. I thought that it is whale bone but never have been sure.
I think that it is a Minangkabau keris, handle from elephant ivory in Jawa Demam style, the pommel of the sheath also. §-luk blade very fine executed. When i get the keris the blade have had very thick corrosion.
The sheat is set together from four parts and have a glossy old patination. The blade fits perfect inside the sheath and I believe that all parts original.
The keris is 31,5 cm long inside the sheat and the blade alone 20 cm without peksi.
Every comment and information are welcome. Special about the origin, sheath material and dapur.
Thank's in advance,
Detlef
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Sajen · 14th January 2009, 04:11 PM

Sorry, want to write 3-luk blade!

erikscollectables · 14th January 2009, 06:59 PM

Yes as I have heard this material is whale bone.
I have a hilt of the same material.
Hope someone with more knowledge can confirm

David · 14th January 2009, 07:49 PM

First of all, welcome Sajen.
I am not really speaking from any actual knowledge

, but it dies seem to have the right porous quality that would be right for whale bone.

Sajen · 14th January 2009, 08:01 PM

Hello Erik, thanks for your reply. I don't have to much experience with this material, I also have a handle from Bali whereof I think it's from whalebone but this one is not so heavy like this sheat so I'm a little bit confused. And I think also that Mrs. Ghiringhelli will know about this material.
Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 14th January 2009, 08:07 PM

Thank you David. Yes, the porous let me think it's from whale bone but the heaviness let me doubt about.

Sajen · 14th January 2009, 08:20 PM

Here a closeup from the tip of the sheat, maybe it help to identify the material.

14th January 2009, 04:07 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Introduction with a question Hello gentlemen, I am already longer a member here and follow nearly every day the discussions posted here. I am collecting since 1992 keris when I have had my first trip to Indonesia, Java. Infected with the keris-fever my collection grow up every year. Until now I never found the time to record here something because I am to busy by my work and also bought a old house some years ago. Please apologise my not perfect english. Here my question: 2001 I bought on Bali two small Sumatra keris. A similar example I found in the book "The Invincible Krises 2" on page 142/3, not from the blade but from the sheath, I think that it is the same material. Mrs. Ghiringhelli write that she wasn't able to identify the kind of bone. I thought that it is whale bone but never have been sure. I think that it is a Minangkabau keris, handle from elephant ivory in Jawa Demam style, the pommel of the sheath also. §-luk blade very fine executed. When i get the keris the blade have had very thick corrosion. The sheat is set together from four parts and have a glossy old patination. The blade fits perfect inside the sheath and I believe that all parts original. The keris is 31,5 cm long inside the sheat and the blade alone 20 cm without peksi. Every comment and information are welcome. Special about the origin, sheath material and dapur. Thank's in advance, Detlef [/IMG][IMG][/IMG][IMG][/IMG] Attached Images

14th January 2009, 06:59 PM	#3
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Yes as I have heard this material is whale bone. I have a hilt of the same material. Hope someone with more knowledge can confirm Attached Images

14th January 2009, 08:20 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Here a closeup from the tip of the sheat, maybe it help to identify the material. Attached Images

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14th January 2009, 04:11 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Sorry, want to write 3-luk blade!

14th January 2009, 07:49 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,125	First of all, welcome Sajen. I am not really speaking from any actual knowledge , but it dies seem to have the right porous quality that would be right for whale bone.

14th January 2009, 08:01 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hello Erik, thanks for your reply. I don't have to much experience with this material, I also have a handle from Bali whereof I think it's from whalebone but this one is not so heavy like this sheat so I'm a little bit confused. And I think also that Mrs. Ghiringhelli will know about this material. Regards, Detlef

14th January 2009, 08:07 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Thank you David. Yes, the porous let me think it's from whale bone but the heaviness let me doubt about.