Ideas on these 3 pieces?

G. McCormack · 6th May 2008, 08:11 PM

A few recent internet purchases. I can of course take some more pics.

The first dagger has a laminated blade, good steel, well cut fullers, inlaid copper-alloy dots, and a plain wooden handle. I'm at a bit of a loss...my best guesses would be similar to a khodmi or genoui? Or something else similar from North Africa?

This short sword is some sort of S.E.A. parang, I'd guess, but after that I'm not sure. Lovely laminated blade has been shortened, and overall has the appearances of a cut down Japanese sword..but I rather think its not. White brass or nickle-silver handle, hardwood scabbard with a few rattan wraps left. It appears there was more to the scabbard that has been lost.

A smallish Phillipine knife of sorts, this third piece is well made but simple, and has I'm nearly certain a carved oak handle. Maybe part of a European crate or something? Forgewelded iron collar.

Any insights would of course be appreciated!

Rick · 6th May 2008, 08:48 PM

Does the little chopper have a chisel grind edge ?

G. McCormack · 7th May 2008, 05:08 AM

Nope, the little chopper is very light, convex edge, and I suspect it was forged out of a piece of saw blade or other thinnish stock. The edge was filed in, and the flats of the blade weren't even drawfiled, rather they were left covered in firescale, which is visible through the thick rust. There is some distal taper from forging it out, but the spine at the ricasso is only about 2mm wide.

I see chisel grinds on WWII era talibons from Luzon, but does a chisel grind on something from this part of the world signify a cultural group generally?

Royston · 7th May 2008, 11:26 AM

I have no idea on the first one.

Second looks like a sikin blade.

Third blade looks more like the small Balinese sacrificial knifes.

Royston

RhysMichael · 7th May 2008, 02:20 PM

The middle looks indonesian to me also though I would not call it a sikin. If I had to guess I would say Java though it may be Sumatra. So I guess generically I would call it a parang also Look at pg 134 in Von zonneveld, I think the chopper below it may be indonesian also

some similar ones to the middle on Artzi's site
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2858
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2609
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=533

G. McCormack · 7th May 2008, 05:30 PM

Thanks for the comments so far.

I just ordered a copy of the von Zonneveld book...looks like something I should have!

6th May 2008, 08:11 PM	#1
G. McCormack Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 131	Ideas on these 3 pieces? A few recent internet purchases. I can of course take some more pics. The first dagger has a laminated blade, good steel, well cut fullers, inlaid copper-alloy dots, and a plain wooden handle. I'm at a bit of a loss...my best guesses would be similar to a khodmi or genoui? Or something else similar from North Africa? This short sword is some sort of S.E.A. parang, I'd guess, but after that I'm not sure. Lovely laminated blade has been shortened, and overall has the appearances of a cut down Japanese sword..but I rather think its not. White brass or nickle-silver handle, hardwood scabbard with a few rattan wraps left. It appears there was more to the scabbard that has been lost. A smallish Phillipine knife of sorts, this third piece is well made but simple, and has I'm nearly certain a carved oak handle. Maybe part of a European crate or something? Forgewelded iron collar. Any insights would of course be appreciated! Attached Images

7th May 2008, 11:26 AM	#4
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 443	Ideas on these 3 pieces? I have no idea on the first one. Second looks like a sikin blade. Third blade looks more like the small Balinese sacrificial knifes. Royston

7th May 2008, 02:20 PM	#5
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	The middle looks indonesian to me also though I would not call it a sikin. If I had to guess I would say Java though it may be Sumatra. So I guess generically I would call it a parang also Look at pg 134 in Von zonneveld, I think the chopper below it may be indonesian also some similar ones to the middle on Artzi's site http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2858 http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2609 http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=533 Last edited by RhysMichael; 7th May 2008 at 02:34 PM.

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6th May 2008, 08:48 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,290	Does the little chopper have a chisel grind edge ?

7th May 2008, 05:08 AM	#3
G. McCormack Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 131	Nope, the little chopper is very light, convex edge, and I suspect it was forged out of a piece of saw blade or other thinnish stock. The edge was filed in, and the flats of the blade weren't even drawfiled, rather they were left covered in firescale, which is visible through the thick rust. There is some distal taper from forging it out, but the spine at the ricasso is only about 2mm wide. I see chisel grinds on WWII era talibons from Luzon, but does a chisel grind on something from this part of the world signify a cultural group generally?

7th May 2008, 05:30 PM	#6
G. McCormack Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 131	Thanks for the comments so far. I just ordered a copy of the von Zonneveld book...looks like something I should have!