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14th July 2024, 12:33 AM | #1 | |
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"Early" Moro kris
This is another fine old Moro kris from the Oriental Arms site. It is number 7477 in Sold Items. Here is Artzi Yarom's description:
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Just how far back was the Moro kris in use? We don't know exactly. The Spaniard, Legaspi, landed in the Philippines in the mid-16th C and early Spanish reports noted the use of the Moro kris, including during the Spanish-Moro Wars that started in the late 16th C and continued sporadically until the end of the 19th C (when Spain ceded the Philippines to the U.S.). The Moro kris preceded the arrival of Spain, but how much earlier is unclear. As always, thoughts and comments are most welcome. . Last edited by Ian; 14th July 2024 at 12:55 AM. Reason: Spelling |
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14th July 2024, 12:51 AM | #2 |
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Ian, this Kris is very similar to or possibly identical with a certain Kris, allegedly made in Brunei in 1842.
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14th July 2024, 01:04 AM | #3 |
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Thanks Gustav. Do you have any further information, pictures, or reference to that sword? I note a faint inscription on the pommel of the present example which appears to be in Arabic script. Unfortunately it seems much worn and too faint for a translation—perhaps one of our forumites might be able to read some of it.
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15th July 2024, 04:06 AM | #4 |
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Gustav,
Perhaps this is the one you recall. It is a distinguished Brunei kris made in 1842, according to the present owner. If this is the one that you recall, there are some differences, most of which are related to the ricikin. a. The presence of an "arrow head" on this example, created by two grooves running alongside the sogokan and almost meeting at the top. That feature is absent on the sword in the original post. b. The presence of a well defined point where the first luk on the back of the blade starts is present on this sword and not the other. c. Well defined, unworn, greneng on the ganja only. This contrasts with the original post. d. A convex face of the gandik. The face is concave on the first one. e. The height of the sogokan appears shorter than on the original example. Furthermore, the overall blade seems to have less tapering in width down its length than the first sword, with the width of the first luk being similar to the width of the last luk. Also, the central "pamor" section of the second blade does not appear to have grooves or a central ridge. Lastly, there are obvious differences in the dress of these two, which probably does not tell us very much other than the dress of the second one is definitely Brunei in origin. Ian. . Last edited by Ian; 15th July 2024 at 04:48 AM. Reason: Added annotated graphic |
15th July 2024, 09:10 AM | #5 |
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Ian,
surely that's a completely different Kris than one, which appeared with this description in the old UBB forum about 20 years ago. |
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