weapon i needed to see for my self jaipur

Edward F · 25th March 2018, 08:16 PM

Took a short trip to Jaipur albert hall museum just to see one weapon on display its been called several different names I'm going to call it a war pick any other term I think is wrong. Heavy item weapons grade not ceremonial.the one war pic is at the museum the other 2 in my collection.

Mercenary · 26th March 2018, 07:58 PM

I would like to be wrong, but such items were made in great numbers in 19-20th century for sale to Europeans... They are not weapons.

Victrix · 26th March 2018, 08:47 PM

In Europe similar weapons were used in medieaval times. It’s a form of war hammer with an armour piercing pick. In German the ”fist” ones are called Dolchstreitkolben or daggermace literally translated into the English language.

See this link with a discussion: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15532

Treeslicer · 26th March 2018, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercenary

I would like to be wrong, but such items were made in great numbers in 19-20th century for sale to Europeans... They are not weapons.

Interesting. Make a nice addition to the under-the-seat-collection in my pickup anyway. What's a more common name for them that one can Google? What are they called in India (yes, I read the card in photo, but "pharsa" is just "axe")?

Edit-- Ahhh, thanks, Victrix.

Mercenary · 27th March 2018, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Treeslicer

Interesting. Make a nice addition to the under-the-seat-collection in my pickup anyway. What's a more common name for them that one can Google? What are they called in India (yes, I read the card in photo, but "pharsa" is just "axe")?

Edit-- Ahhh, thanks, Victrix.

There are not original hindu names as well as historical images. Indian ascetics did not use such tool too, not as a weapon and not as a crutch.

BBJW · 27th March 2018, 04:09 PM

These are decorative pieces. When they were actually weapons they were called a 'zagnal' or 'zaghnal'. -bbjw

Treeslicer · 27th March 2018, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BBJW

These are decorative pieces. When they were actually weapons they were called a 'zagnal' or 'zaghnal'. -bbjw

"Zaghnal" pulls up a number of examples. Thanks.

Edward F · 27th March 2018, 01:09 AM

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shayde78 · 27th March 2018, 03:05 AM

Are the fists threaded onto the shafts?
I had occasion to pick one up, but the threaded head made me think it to be modern... I could well have been wrong.

25th March 2018, 08:16 PM	#1
Edward F Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 54	weapon i needed to see for my self jaipur Took a short trip to Jaipur albert hall museum just to see one weapon on display its been called several different names I'm going to call it a war pick any other term I think is wrong. Heavy item weapons grade not ceremonial.the one war pic is at the museum the other 2 in my collection. Attached Images

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26th March 2018, 07:58 PM	#2
Mercenary Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 426	I would like to be wrong, but such items were made in great numbers in 19-20th century for sale to Europeans... They are not weapons.

26th March 2018, 08:47 PM	#3
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	In Europe similar weapons were used in medieaval times. It’s a form of war hammer with an armour piercing pick. In German the ”fist” ones are called Dolchstreitkolben or daggermace literally translated into the English language. See this link with a discussion: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15532

27th March 2018, 04:09 PM	#6
BBJW Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Idaho, USA Posts: 228	These are decorative pieces. When they were actually weapons they were called a 'zagnal' or 'zaghnal'. -bbjw

27th March 2018, 03:05 AM	#9
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	Are the fists threaded onto the shafts? I had occasion to pick one up, but the threaded head made me think it to be modern... I could well have been wrong.