Keris from Patani or Indonesia Copy?

Green · 24th February 2016, 04:09 PM

I hope keris experts or keris collectors much more experienced than me can give opinion whether this keris that I got for a song is an original antique from Patani or a recent copy from Indonesia. And similar question for the hilt: is it made in Patani (with Patani carving pattern) or from Indonesia.

Ps: A couple of local keris makers that I asked here (in Malaysia) think that it is from Patani)

Sajen · 24th February 2016, 07:00 PM

Original!

David · 24th February 2016, 08:05 PM

From the photos alone it all looks right to me.

kai · 25th February 2016, 01:17 AM

Hello Nik,

Looks like a genuine pandai seras blade to me, too. There seems to have been quite a bit of erosion, especially visible at the base of the blade. Possibly some minor reshaping attempts at the elephant's mouth; I'm inclined to believe that the quality of the blade was a bit subpar to begin with though.

The tajong hilt also looks genuine to me (certainly not one of the cheap Indo copies but I heard that the carvers are getting better). Sharper close-ups from several angles would help to narrow age down.

Regardless of any possible issues: Unless you're a celebrated vocalist or song writer, you got a bargain here - congrats!

Regards,
Kai

Green · 25th February 2016, 07:37 PM

Thanks all for a surprisingly unanimous opinion... ps my singing ability is decidedly worse than subpar...

David · 25th February 2016, 10:06 PM

Hope you clean up this blade a little bit. It does appear to have some light surface rust that should be easy to attend to. If i am not mistaken it also shows a very strong chevron about a quart from the tip showing a well quenched blade.
Since you live in Malaysia it should not be too much trouble for you to find someone who can craft a suitable sheath for this keris and an appropriate pendokok should not be difficult to find either.

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24th February 2016, 07:00 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,891	Original!

24th February 2016, 08:05 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,162	From the photos alone it all looks right to me.

25th February 2016, 01:17 AM	#4
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Hello Nik, Looks like a genuine pandai seras blade to me, too. There seems to have been quite a bit of erosion, especially visible at the base of the blade. Possibly some minor reshaping attempts at the elephant's mouth; I'm inclined to believe that the quality of the blade was a bit subpar to begin with though. The tajong hilt also looks genuine to me (certainly not one of the cheap Indo copies but I heard that the carvers are getting better). Sharper close-ups from several angles would help to narrow age down. Regardless of any possible issues: Unless you're a celebrated vocalist or song writer, you got a bargain here - congrats! Regards, Kai

25th February 2016, 07:37 PM	#5
Green Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Malaysia Posts: 313	Thanks all for a surprisingly unanimous opinion... ps my singing ability is decidedly worse than subpar...

25th February 2016, 10:06 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,162	Hope you clean up this blade a little bit. It does appear to have some light surface rust that should be easy to attend to. If i am not mistaken it also shows a very strong chevron about a quart from the tip showing a well quenched blade. Since you live in Malaysia it should not be too much trouble for you to find someone who can craft a suitable sheath for this keris and an appropriate pendokok should not be difficult to find either.