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Without me stating what I think this to be, would like your opinions. Please be frank in your comments.
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Well frankly Bill, i would rather hear what YOU think it is first.
Personally i have never made any claims at being particularly good at naming and categorizing keris. Naming pamors and dhapurs has never been my strong suit and in many ways i find it to be secondary to a deeper understanding of the keris. I have never bought a keris because of what i was told it was supposed to be, but rather because that particular keris "called" to me. As for tangguh, i won't even pretend to fully understand the process. The most important thing i could probably say about that here is that it is generally not really possible to do correctly without the keris in hand. Photographs do not convey enough information. But i can usually tell a old keris from a new one. That said, i like this keris. It appears to have two pamor patterns (dwi warno), one that is sada sader, the other i am not sure of. I also see what look like brighter "dots" of pamor material along the blade. If i were feeling really inventive i might want to image those as meteoric pamor. But seeing as how there is really no way to truly establish that i would just note it as "interesting". ![]() The more recent dress is Surakarta Ladrang. The wrongoko is iras, made all in one piece with the top sheath and stem, a more difficult and rarer sheath form. From the fit it seems likely that the sheath was made specifically for the blade. I cannot tell the materials of the blewah pendok. It looks like it might be brass with perhaps a gold wash or plating on top. All in all it looks like a nice, well maintained old keris with a well executed pamor. Something that i would be more than happy to have in my collection. ![]() |
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David, You and I are a lot alike. I buy because I like. It speaks to me. Usually in a kinesthetic way, a feeling. I like this one. It has a very deep and powerful feeling, in the hand.
Here is what I know. Madura Blade 150+ years old Dress 80-90 years old Dapur? Tangguh? Pamor? Old? New? I would like to know more, and that would be fun. But for me, when I look at fine art, the kind that grabs you by the solar plexus, I care more about that feeling than who made the paints, the canvas, The frame, what was going through the artist's mind. I like the blade. It has soul. I like the dress. It depth of age. Chatoyancy. It has been loved and cherished. I like the feeling when I hold it. Enough. I saw it. I liked it. I bought it. Just like everything else. However, now I would like to know more about it. What does the pamor mean? The dapur? The number of luks? |
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The sheath compliments the blade very well.
Actually it's hard to stop looking at this blade, appears ageless. Reminds me of a sliver from an ancient rock formation, almost as if the centre of it once flowed out the top. |
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YES! Art is ageless and keeps changing. Every time I look at something like this it is different and a new aspect is presented. When I acquire something, it can be that it has one thing that I like, yet the more I study it, keep it beside me (on the breakfast table?) the more it opens up with new interesting facets. What is this object? Wood and metal and something more?? Sometimes it seems that something -someone- is looking back at me. A man? In the beginning I try -no, I DO- look at pieces like this without thinking about the pamor, dapor, etc. But once it has made an impression, I want to know more. What does the pamor tell us? What was the person like who commissioned this keris? Student? Military? Farmer? |
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Here is what I know.
Madura Blade 150+ years old Dress 80-90 years old |
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