little kris

manteris1 · 22nd August 2013, 12:34 AM

hi kris people, i'd had this little kris awhile, i know nothing about it. i had a note that it was a 'dukun' kris i know that that means 'shaman' i think. what do you think........................thanks............... ....jimmy

David · 22nd August 2013, 06:10 AM

Interesting keris that looks like it might have some talismanic pamor, but i don't see anything that would specifically ascribe it to a dukun. With that long gandik i'd say this is something from the kebo family of dhapurs and it appears to be gonjo iras. Kebo keris are often thought to be good for people with agricultural pursuits.

A. G. Maisey · 22nd August 2013, 08:40 AM

Any keris can be a dukun keris, if it once belonged to a dukun.

But there are many types of dukun, they are not always the equivalent of a shaman, but can actually fulfil the role of a midwife and assist with a birth, or be practitioners of some form of natural medicine, or can foretell the future, or do remote viewing, or stop rain from falling --- or a heap of other things.

Mostly dukuns are good guys, a few are not so good, but to find a genuine black magic dukun these days is close to impossible. The ones who claim they are, are pretty much likely to be conmen.

David · 22nd August 2013, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Any keris can be a dukun keris, if it once belonged to a dukun.

Absolutely. When i see keris for sale that are ascribed to dukun it becomes an immediate red flag for me. Sellers use this as a selling point for Western collectors hoping to purchase a piece of "magic". Mostly these are pretty rough looking specimens forged with little skill and often badly maintained as well.

manteris1 · 22nd August 2013, 03:44 PM

i'm not sure what this means, 'kebo family of dhapurs and it appears to be gonjo iras.' .........jimmy

Sajen · 22nd August 2013, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manteris1

i'm not sure what this means, 'kebo family of dhapurs and it appears to be gonjo iras.' .........jimmy

With "kebo family" David mean that the blade have a long gandik and with "gonjo iras" is meant that the cross piece over the blade isn't separate but only marked. See attached sample.

Regards,

Detlef

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manteris1 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 114	little kris hi kris people, i'd had this little kris awhile, i know nothing about it. i had a note that it was a 'dukun' kris i know that that means 'shaman' i think. what do you think........................thanks............... ....jimmy Attached Images

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22nd August 2013, 06:10 AM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Interesting keris that looks like it might have some talismanic pamor, but i don't see anything that would specifically ascribe it to a dukun. With that long gandik i'd say this is something from the kebo family of dhapurs and it appears to be gonjo iras. Kebo keris are often thought to be good for people with agricultural pursuits.

22nd August 2013, 08:40 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	Any keris can be a dukun keris, if it once belonged to a dukun. But there are many types of dukun, they are not always the equivalent of a shaman, but can actually fulfil the role of a midwife and assist with a birth, or be practitioners of some form of natural medicine, or can foretell the future, or do remote viewing, or stop rain from falling --- or a heap of other things. Mostly dukuns are good guys, a few are not so good, but to find a genuine black magic dukun these days is close to impossible. The ones who claim they are, are pretty much likely to be conmen.

22nd August 2013, 03:44 PM	#5
manteris1 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 114	i'm not sure what this means, 'kebo family of dhapurs and it appears to be gonjo iras.' .........jimmy