Yatagan or ??

kino · 13th December 2010, 08:20 PM

I'm adding, to the abundance of yatagan photos and questions on this forum lately.
I'm not really sure if this is considered a yatagan. Does the blade, hilt, or both make a yatagan? The blade shape doesn't possess the profile, yet it has the lobed pommel.The hilt is of elephant ivory.
It's on the small side, measuring at 20.25", with a blade length of 14.75".
Is it a yatagan or not?
Thanks.

Atlantia · 13th December 2010, 08:34 PM

Hi Kino,

I think that one may well be a Bichaq.
I believe to qualify as a yataghan it would need to have the 'recurved' blade.

Looks like a good piece!
Any chance of pattern welding hidden in the blade?

Regards
Gene

Battara · 13th December 2010, 09:02 PM

Well, I have also seen "yataghans" of this size and style that were considered naval yataghans.

kino · 13th December 2010, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Hi Kino,

I think that one may well be a Bichaq.
I believe to qualify as a yataghan it would need to have the 'recurved' blade.

Looks like a good piece!
Any chance of pattern welding hidden in the blade?

Regards
Gene

Thanks Gene.
Haven't played with it much, I'll do a quick hot water etch to see in any patterns pop up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Well, I have also seen "yataghans" of this size and style that were considered naval yataghans.

Well, I'll have to do a search to just to see what a Naval Yatagan & a Bichaq looks like.

ariel · 14th December 2010, 12:01 AM

Yataghan-like daggers, similar to that one, were called "yataghan bichaq".
Their blades were often ( almost always) straight.

TVV · 14th December 2010, 12:06 AM

Bichaq is simply the Turkish word for knife, so it could mean a variety of things. It can certainly be applied here.

In another thread I believe Eftihis showed a similar dagger, which if I recall correctly was made from a shortened Portuguese sword. Here it is:
http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12253

The naval attribution on a similarly hilted dagger, with a reworked smallsword blade came from Rsword in this thread:
http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread...lsword+ottoman

Regards,
Teodor

kino · 14th December 2010, 07:01 AM

Thanks for the additional info guys.

Atlantia · 14th December 2010, 12:51 PM

Good info chaps. I had thought that Yataghans had to have the recurved blade.

13th December 2010, 08:20 PM	#1
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,002	Yatagan or ?? I'm adding, to the abundance of yatagan photos and questions on this forum lately. I'm not really sure if this is considered a yatagan. Does the blade, hilt, or both make a yatagan? The blade shape doesn't possess the profile, yet it has the lobed pommel.The hilt is of elephant ivory. It's on the small side, measuring at 20.25", with a blade length of 14.75". Is it a yatagan or not? Thanks. Attached Images

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13th December 2010, 08:34 PM	#2
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hi Kino, I think that one may well be a Bichaq. I believe to qualify as a yataghan it would need to have the 'recurved' blade. Looks like a good piece! Any chance of pattern welding hidden in the blade? Regards Gene

13th December 2010, 09:02 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	Well, I have also seen "yataghans" of this size and style that were considered naval yataghans.

14th December 2010, 12:01 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Yataghan-like daggers, similar to that one, were called "yataghan bichaq". Their blades were often ( almost always) straight.

14th December 2010, 12:06 AM	#6
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,624	Bichaq is simply the Turkish word for knife, so it could mean a variety of things. It can certainly be applied here. In another thread I believe Eftihis showed a similar dagger, which if I recall correctly was made from a shortened Portuguese sword. Here it is: http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12253 The naval attribution on a similarly hilted dagger, with a reworked smallsword blade came from Rsword in this thread: http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread...lsword+ottoman Regards, Teodor

14th December 2010, 07:01 AM	#7
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,002	Thanks for the additional info guys.

14th December 2010, 12:51 PM	#8
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Good info chaps. I had thought that Yataghans had to have the recurved blade.