Could this be considered a hudiedao ?

[Freddy]

I bought this knife some time ago on ebay. It looked interesting. At that moment, a discussion on hudiedao was held on the forum.

In my opinion, this is also a hudiedao. The blade and handle are made from one piece, with a pommel and D-shaped handle attached to it. The handle extends on one side of the blade (back) and ends in what I call a 'snake's head'.

I don't see any holes in the tang to retain a handle of some sort. Could it be that the handle was made out of leather or some kind of fabric ?

The blade is slender and ends with a sharp point. The handle is aligned to the back of the blade. There's only 1 sharp edge and there are 2 fullers on both sides of the blade. There are also some engravings near the handle, but I can't make out what they are.

Total length : 49 cm (19,6 inches
Lenght of blade : 35 cm (14 inches)
Thickness of blade (near the handle) : 7mm

[Gavin Nugent]

Certainly is a Dao, it doesn't quite look like a pair could sit back to back as the guards is flared both sides. A nice interesting study piece.
Most likely a thin wooden hilt slab at one stage of its life and maybe fabric bound.

Gav

[Freddy]

Were these weapons always used in pairs ? I know, when you see them in Wing Chun, there are two. I compare them with the Japanese sai (but hudiedao are sharp !).

But there is a Japanese weapon called a 'jutte'. Mostly a simple iron bar with 1 hook. A weapon also used for parrying and this weapon was used alone.

Just a thought...could certain types of hudiedao be used in the same way ?

[fearn]

I'm not sure whether it's part of a missing pair, a stand-alone, or part of a long-and-short set. However, I do think it's Chinese, and I think that engraving is a, shall we say, very abstract version of a Chinese dragon head (at least the mane, mouth, and eye).

Neat blade,

F

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Were these weapons always used in pairs ? I know, when you see them in Wing Chun, there are two. I compare them with the Japanese sai (but hudiedao are sharp !).

But there is a Japanese weapon called a 'jutte'. Mostly a simple iron bar with 1 hook. A weapon also used for parrying and this weapon was used alone.

Just a thought...could certain types of hudiedao be used in the same way ?

Hi Freddy,

Not always used in pairs.
The knives are used in the same way as the sai, to catch, parry and thrust. These are also used on their own too, most often with a shield in the other hand.
I'll dig up a couple of videos I have in my links somewhere , one shows these standing off with a pair of sai, the other form with a shield.

Gav

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by freebooter

Hi Freddy,

Not always used in pairs.
The knives are used in the same way as the sai, to catch, parry and thrust. These are also used on their own too, most often with a shield in the other hand.
I'll dig up a couple of videos I have in my links somewhere , one shows these standing off with a pair of sai, the other form with a shield.

Gav

Thanks, I would find that most interesting, especially the form with the sword and shield.

[KuKulzA28]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Thanks, I would find that most interesting, especially the form with the sword and shield.

I believe I have seen sets of shield and saber practitioners... I have also heard of but not seen sets where a shield is used in conjunction with a short dao, like the baat jaam do, but single. The shield is usually rattan.