A question about katars

Ahriman · 11th December 2005, 05:14 PM

Oi!
It's connected to armour in a way, so I could've asked it there, but it seems that that topic is not too visited by others than Aqtai and me...

I love katars, and such weapons, but I don't really like that they don't really have quillons or the like, which leaves the hand very voulnerable... I found it out in a rather painful way when I was sparring with two katars against a bastard sword...

So, to the point.

I'd like to know if there's anything like an "armoured katar". By this, I mean a katar which is either built into a gauntlet like this, or simply a katar which defenses the back of the hand AND the wrist.

Afterall, I'd love to see any pics of katars with more hand defence than the standard.

Aqtai · 11th December 2005, 05:24 PM

The short answer is yes.

These pics are from Robert Elgood's "Hindu Arms and Ritual".
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/9...crested0it.jpg
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/1...animals1ks.jpg
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/7...cock1017yu.jpg

This from oriental-Arms.com
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=519
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1139

ariel · 11th December 2005, 06:33 PM

The gauntlet version of Katar is called Tooroom and a grossly oversized one, a sword actually, is a Pata.

Jens Nordlunde · 11th December 2005, 09:33 PM

Hi Ahriman, I doubt that any Indian in the earlier times would have used two katars against a sword, if he could have avoided it – so why do you think it is a good idea?

If you think there are only the two of you interested in katars, you should, maybe try the search button.

True that the south Indian katars often had a hand guard, and the north Indians seldom had one.

Ahriman · 12th December 2005, 09:52 AM

Jens: I know that almost everyone likes katars... I was talking about that if I asked the same in the armour topic, etc...

Of course, that method is far from good or preferable, but we like cross-training quite much... Rapier vs greatsword, knife vs saber, double buckler vs sword&buckler, grossmesser vs katana, etc. Very helpful in developing good skills.

But standard katars leave your hands open so much that I don't have too much chance against meisterhauen even if I use two katars... and I have absolutely no chance if I use only one.

Thanks for the info, and the beautiful pics... maybe I shold collect a little money to buy that book.

Jens Nordlunde · 12th December 2005, 11:23 AM

Hi Ahriman. I have seen pictures of gauntlet katars, but only pictures. There are of course also the katars with hand guard.

11th December 2005, 05:14 PM	#1
Ahriman Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hungary Posts: 72	A question about katars Oi! It's connected to armour in a way, so I could've asked it there, but it seems that that topic is not too visited by others than Aqtai and me... I love katars, and such weapons, but I don't really like that they don't really have quillons or the like, which leaves the hand very voulnerable... I found it out in a rather painful way when I was sparring with two katars against a bastard sword... So, to the point. I'd like to know if there's anything like an "armoured katar". By this, I mean a katar which is either built into a gauntlet like this, or simply a katar which defenses the back of the hand AND the wrist. Afterall, I'd love to see any pics of katars with more hand defence than the standard.

12th December 2005, 11:23 AM	#6
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Ahriman. I have seen pictures of gauntlet katars, but only pictures. There are of course also the katars with hand guard. Attached Images

11th December 2005, 05:24 PM	#2
Aqtai Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Merseyside, UK Posts: 222	The short answer is yes. These pics are from Robert Elgood's "Hindu Arms and Ritual". http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/9...crested0it.jpg http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/1...animals1ks.jpg http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/7...cock1017yu.jpg This from oriental-Arms.com http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=519 http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1139

11th December 2005, 06:33 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The gauntlet version of Katar is called Tooroom and a grossly oversized one, a sword actually, is a Pata.

11th December 2005, 09:33 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Ahriman, I doubt that any Indian in the earlier times would have used two katars against a sword, if he could have avoided it – so why do you think it is a good idea? If you think there are only the two of you interested in katars, you should, maybe try the search button. True that the south Indian katars often had a hand guard, and the north Indians seldom had one.

12th December 2005, 09:52 AM	#5
Ahriman Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hungary Posts: 72	Jens: I know that almost everyone likes katars... I was talking about that if I asked the same in the armour topic, etc... Of course, that method is far from good or preferable, but we like cross-training quite much... Rapier vs greatsword, knife vs saber, double buckler vs sword&buckler, grossmesser vs katana, etc. Very helpful in developing good skills. But standard katars leave your hands open so much that I don't have too much chance against meisterhauen even if I use two katars... and I have absolutely no chance if I use only one. Thanks for the info, and the beautiful pics... maybe I shold collect a little money to buy that book.