Persian military sword 1909 dragoon shashka

Valjhun · 3rd July 2006, 07:57 PM

I'm not right an enthusiast about military issues, but I've got that 'cos it was cheap and would go verry well with my russian military pieces.

Well Tirri says that is a result of cooperation between Persia and Russia at the end of 19th century and that it is a persian military sabre model 1909.

Now some questions:

1. What kind of cooperation was there between Persia and Russia at the end of 19th century? Common hatred towards the Ottomans?

2. There are no other mark than the serial number on the sword. Where were thoose manufactured? Zlatoust or Persia?

3. The same type od sword is reffered as shashka in imperial Russia and it was used by dragoon corps. Were thoose persian swords an officer issue and what corps used thoose sabers in Persia?

4. Are thoose swords rare?

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Rivkin · 3rd July 2006, 08:16 PM

In late XIXth century the only unit of Persian army that remains operational is a persian cossack brigade, 8000 strong. New persian Shah, Pahlavi was it commander.

Attached are the photographs of Lyahov, brigade's early commander (with a kindjal). During the was between Shah and northern constitutionalists army of Sattar Khan (composed of Azeri with a few armenians, georgians, kurds etc.) cossack troops of Russia were asked to enter southern azerbaijan to supress azeris-constitutionalists. The next photograph - russians hang Sattar Khan's family (see their swords).

ariel · 3rd July 2006, 08:58 PM

Nasser-e-din Shah (Qajar) established a Cossack force in the late 1880's . This was commanded by the Russian officers and even got it's orders from the Russian Military Ministry. Google qajar cossack etc for more details.
This was the origin of the shashkas (mainly 1891 pattern). They are not rare at all.
The Iranian Cossack, Reza overthrew the Qajars and became the first Pahlavi Shah (father of Mohammed Reza Pahlavi).
Ottoman Turks also established a Hamidie Cossack brigade (mainly Kurdish).

Tim Simmons · 19th June 2025, 06:13 PM

Came across this thread while doing some research on the Soviet Shashka which I have. I have always been an ethnographic weapons collector. However over the last ten years the low to middle ground of ethnographic weapons market has gone so madly inflated I now feel that much better value can be found in the militaria market for high quality government military swords. Quality at half the price if you look with care and no pin point interest. Nice sword.

3rd July 2006, 07:57 PM	#1
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Persian military sword 1909 dragoon shashka I'm not right an enthusiast about military issues, but I've got that 'cos it was cheap and would go verry well with my russian military pieces. Well Tirri says that is a result of cooperation between Persia and Russia at the end of 19th century and that it is a persian military sabre model 1909. Now some questions: 1. What kind of cooperation was there between Persia and Russia at the end of 19th century? Common hatred towards the Ottomans? 2. There are no other mark than the serial number on the sword. Where were thoose manufactured? Zlatoust or Persia? 3. The same type od sword is reffered as shashka in imperial Russia and it was used by dragoon corps. Were thoose persian swords an officer issue and what corps used thoose sabers in Persia? 4. Are thoose swords rare? . Attached Images

3rd July 2006, 08:16 PM	#2
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	In late XIXth century the only unit of Persian army that remains operational is a persian cossack brigade, 8000 strong. New persian Shah, Pahlavi was it commander. Attached are the photographs of Lyahov, brigade's early commander (with a kindjal). During the was between Shah and northern constitutionalists army of Sattar Khan (composed of Azeri with a few armenians, georgians, kurds etc.) cossack troops of Russia were asked to enter southern azerbaijan to supress azeris-constitutionalists. The next photograph - russians hang Sattar Khan's family (see their swords). Attached Images

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3rd July 2006, 08:58 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Nasser-e-din Shah (Qajar) established a Cossack force in the late 1880's . This was commanded by the Russian officers and even got it's orders from the Russian Military Ministry. Google qajar cossack etc for more details. This was the origin of the shashkas (mainly 1891 pattern). They are not rare at all. The Iranian Cossack, Reza overthrew the Qajars and became the first Pahlavi Shah (father of Mohammed Reza Pahlavi). Ottoman Turks also established a Hamidie Cossack brigade (mainly Kurdish).

19th June 2025, 06:13 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,858	Came across this thread while doing some research on the Soviet Shashka which I have. I have always been an ethnographic weapons collector. However over the last ten years the low to middle ground of ethnographic weapons market has gone so madly inflated I now feel that much better value can be found in the militaria market for high quality government military swords. Quality at half the price if you look with care and no pin point interest. Nice sword.