Does anyone know this language?

Kurt · 9th May 2018, 09:21 AM

Hi ,

I searched in vain for a translator for this inscription.
Hope to help the many members of this forum.

Kurt

Kurt · 9th May 2018, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kurt

Hi ,

I searched in vain for a translator for this inscription.
Hope to help the many members of this forum.

Kurt

Sorry forgot the picture of Kilic!

Ren Ren · 9th May 2018, 12:44 PM

This inscription in Serbian

Kurt · 9th May 2018, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt

Sorry forgot the picture of Kilic!

Thank you !
Can you read it ?

Kurt · 9th May 2018, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ren Ren

This inscription in Serbian

Thank you !
Can you read it ?

kronckew · 9th May 2018, 06:15 PM

'Google translate' does Serbian to English (or German) if you can make out the letters.

TVV · 9th May 2018, 06:57 PM

The first parts states "this sabre belonged to the Voevoda..." and then lists the name of the Voevoda, which I cannot quite make out, plus I am not familiar with the Serbian/Montenegrin voevodas.

Teodor

ALEX · 9th May 2018, 07:33 PM

"Voevoda" means warrior, usually of higher rank such as commander. Literally, the one who leads in the war.

David R · 9th May 2018, 09:44 PM

Very nice piece. Perhaps more of a Shamshir than a Kilij, but who cares, collector-speak only!

kronckew · 9th May 2018, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

"Voevoda" means warrior, usually of higher rank such as commander. Literally, the one who leads in the war.

very similar word in other eastern European languages.

One of the more well-known ones was the Voivode Vlad Tepes, Prince of Wallachia, the Drakul, who didn't care much for his Turkish neighbours & gently persuaded some of them to leave his lands when they tried to arrive uninvited at the scene of one of his dinner parties. They apologised and left since he asked them so nicely.

Kurt · 10th May 2018, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TVV

The first parts states "this sabre belonged to the Voevoda..." and then lists the name of the Voevoda, which I cannot quite make out, plus I am not familiar with the Serbian/Montenegrin voevodas.

Teodor

Thanks Teodor ,

that helps so is the title"Woiwode"(It is a Slavic ruler title.)
it is an extraordinary Kilic see pictures..
Kurt

Ren Ren · 10th May 2018, 10:04 AM

"Ова с сабля била войводе Т. Вучића Перишића покланя Ђ. Колароз"
"This saber was presented by the voivode T. Vučić Perišić J. Colaroz"

But I can make a little mistake

Victrix · 10th May 2018, 10:30 AM

Nice sword! Interesting to see the wrist cord as well. I note the little loops on the front quillon and the pommel where probably a little chain was secured. Is the grip made from horn?

Kurt · 10th May 2018, 10:48 AM

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"Ова с сабля била войводе Т. Вучића Перишића покланя Ђ. Колароз"
"This saber was presented by the voivode T. Vučić Perišić J. Colaroz"

But I can make a little mistake

Thanks, that's great.
Have been trying for 6 years to bring this out.
Kurt

Kurt · 10th May 2018, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Victrix

Nice sword! Interesting to see the wrist cord as well. I note the little loops on the front quillon and the pommel where probably a little chain was secured. Is the grip made from horn?

It is rhino.

Ren Ren · 10th May 2018, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt

Thanks, that's great.
Have been trying for 6 years to bring this out.
Kurt

It's my pleasure

Toma Vučić Perišić (1787 or 1788 - 1859) is a famous statesman of Serbia, a participant in two uprisings against the Ottoman Empire. https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2...88%D0%B8%D1%9B

Kurt · 10th May 2018, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ren Ren

It's my pleasure

Toma Vučić Perišić (1787 or 1788 - 1859) is a famous statesman of Serbia, a participant in two uprisings against the Ottoman Empire. https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2...88%D0%B8%D1%9B

So the then owner of my Kilic was an important man at the time.

Is good to know !
Thanks
Kurt

Victrix · 10th May 2018, 03:03 PM

What about the Arabic writing and the mark? Is it a captured Ottoman blade? The decorations on the cross guard and scabbard look European (good quality as well).

fernando · 10th May 2018, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt

Thanks, that's great.
Have been trying for 6 years to bring this out.
Kurt

Extraordinary work indeed, Ren Ren.

Victrix · 11th May 2018, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ren Ren

It's my pleasure

Toma Vučić Perišić (1787 or 1788 - 1859) is a famous statesman of Serbia, a participant in two uprisings against the Ottoman Empire. https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2...88%D0%B8%D1%9B

Found this is the English language on the Belgrade City Museum web page:

”Toma Vučić Perišić (1788–1859) was a participant of the First and Second Serbian Uprisings and a prominent figure of the government established by the Defenders of the Constitution (Ustavobranitelji). He was initially a collaborator of Miloš Obrenović, to become one of his most severe opponents. Vučić Perišić played a role in Miloš's abdication and the expulsion from the country of Prince Mihailo and the Obrenović family in 1842.

The portrait dates from the period when Toma Vučić Perišić was one of the most powerful people in Serbia. He is shown in ceremonial and lavish Oriental outfit reflecting his high position of a statesman. Sticking to tradition, he kept on wearing Oriental dress, even though the majority of the bourgeois elite in Serbia adopted European dress styles.”

Kurt · 11th May 2018, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Victrix

Found this is the English language on the Belgrade City Museum web page:

”Toma Vučić Perišić (1788–1859) was a participant of the First and Second Serbian Uprisings and a prominent figure of the government established by the Defenders of the Constitution (Ustavobranitelji). He was initially a collaborator of Miloš Obrenović, to become one of his most severe opponents. Vučić Perišić played a role in Miloš's abdication and the expulsion from the country of Prince Mihailo and the Obrenović family in 1842.

The portrait dates from the period when Toma Vučić Perišić was one of the most powerful people in Serbia. He is shown in ceremonial and lavish Oriental outfit reflecting his high position of a statesman. Sticking to tradition, he kept on wearing Oriental dress, even though the majority of the bourgeois elite in Serbia adopted European dress styles.”

Thank you for the information .
It is also a great article in Wikipedia

Lightfoot · 14th September 2023, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt

Thank you for the information .
It is also a great article in Wikipedia

I think that Perisic gave this kilic to the other person.

Lightfoot · 23rd September 2023, 11:10 PM

Do you still own the kilic?

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9th May 2018, 12:44 PM	#3
Ren Ren Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 379	This inscription in Serbian

9th May 2018, 06:15 PM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	'Google translate' does Serbian to English (or German) if you can make out the letters.

9th May 2018, 06:57 PM	#7
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,660	The first parts states "this sabre belonged to the Voevoda..." and then lists the name of the Voevoda, which I cannot quite make out, plus I am not familiar with the Serbian/Montenegrin voevodas. Teodor

9th May 2018, 07:33 PM	#8
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	"Voevoda" means warrior, usually of higher rank such as commander. Literally, the one who leads in the war.

9th May 2018, 09:44 PM	#9
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,114	Very nice piece. Perhaps more of a Shamshir than a Kilij, but who cares, collector-speak only!

10th May 2018, 10:04 AM	#12
Ren Ren Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 379	"Ова с сабля била войводе Т. Вучића Перишића покланя Ђ. Колароз" "This saber was presented by the voivode T. Vučić Perišić J. Colaroz" But I can make a little mistake

10th May 2018, 10:30 AM	#13
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	Nice sword! Interesting to see the wrist cord as well. I note the little loops on the front quillon and the pommel where probably a little chain was secured. Is the grip made from horn?

10th May 2018, 03:03 PM	#18
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	What about the Arabic writing and the mark? Is it a captured Ottoman blade? The decorations on the cross guard and scabbard look European (good quality as well).