I would also add Pangeran that just because two parties do not reach agreement in any particular debate in no way indicates that "no useful work" has been done. This has been an extremely interesting and informative discussion for me. Just because concensus isn't reached between the two major debating parties doesn't mean that either party hasn't had an influence on others on the forum. Some, like yourself, may even form a third or fourth opinion on the matter. Does this make the discussion "useless"?
Once again i would like to thank both Ganja and Alan for their cotribution on this thread.
