[David]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Frankly David, I've just about reached the limit of time that I'm prepared to put into this subject.

You know the old song:- you say tomahtoes, and I say tomaytas---well mate, that's about how about where I'm prepared to let it rest.

Yes Alan, i was sensing that you were just about finished with the suject which was why i was thanking you for your imput.
...and i think you may have gotten that tomayto/tomahto thing backwards.

Ganja, we can continue to discuss this matter if you like, but i doubt we will come to any definitive answer. Alan has presented an alternative to the status quo presented by the contemporary keris world. I personally am inclined to accept Alan's theory not only because i find much sense and logic in it, but also because of the source of his information which comes as a direct line of teaching from a well known and respected ahli keris and empu. I therefore consider it "living knowledge" as opposed to book knowledge.
Others will choose to continue to follow the status quo, which i believe you defended quite well.Thank you again for your imput in this thread. I am a bit confused though as to why you feel that "either "buntel mayat" or "bungkus mayat"...are more horrible and more terrorizing than "buntel mayit""