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Old 25th May 2006, 03:51 PM   #28
kai
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Hello Jose,

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I'm wondering if the kris in question is a transitional piece.
That's apparently what Zel was implying above - would love to hear him discussing the reasons for his assertion.

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The luk on it are sharp, yes, but not as sharp and pointed as those I have seen on post-1930s krises which have very sharp points
AFAIK post-1930s luk vary quite a bit - so I'd be weary to use them to argue a pre-1930s origin...

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Regarding the separable ganga issue, I haven't seen much evidence yet to alter Cato's thesis other than there may be exeptions to the rule in non-separable kris before 1900.
BTW, wasn't it Stone bringing up this issue? (Hadn't time to check with the local library copy...)

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Certainly the craftmanship used on earlier kris is unnecessary for later kris post-1930 when guns were even more plentiful than before. It would certainly cost more money to create a separable ganga especially when the demand for kris as an everyday weapon drops in later years.
I think you're mixing at least 2 separate issues here:
Apparently it wasn't uncommon to utilize kris in warfare/resurgence attacks well into the 1970s. However, one could argue that an integral gangya will be even stronger than the traditional one - so I don't think the lack of martial use (wether assumed or real) is a convincing reason for the different gangya construction.

Economic reasons may be more prevalent although I'd expect the more well-off patrons to continue favoring the traditional version...

Cato seems to imply that traditional forging skills/traditions got lost during about the same period but are there any convincing reasons for such a hypothesis? Is it possible that the successful US invasion let to an landslide loss of the recognition of talismanic/mystic properties of a blade? I doubt this, too, but would like to hear people with better knowledge of Filipino and, especially, Moro beliefs/customs/history to discuss pros and cons!

Regards,
Kai
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