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VANDOO · 8th March 2016, 04:12 PM

I AGREE WITH THE ASSESSMENTS GIVEN ABOVE BUT WOULD LIKE TO FIND INFORMATION ON WHERE AND BY WHO THESE MODERN MANDAUS ARE MADE.? FROM WHAT I COULD SEE IN THE SHOPS IN SARAWAK THERE WERE MANY VARIATIONS AND DIFFERENT AGES OF MANDAUS PRESENT FOR SALE. IT APPEARED DIFFERENT PEOPLE SET UP SHOP AND MADE A PARTICULAR TYPE TO SELL AND THEN WHEN ALL SOLD MADE A DIFFERENT TYPE OR DESIGN. AS A RESULT YOU SEE THE SAME TYPES IN ALL THE SHOPS SOME THAT HAVE OBVIOUSLY BEEN THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND SOME WITH NEW WRITTEN ALL OVER THEM. SOME ARE MADE USING TRADITIONAL DESIGNS AND SOME MADE UP SUCH AS DRAGONS, MERMAIDS AND SUCH. SOME ARE POORLY CARVED AND DECORATED AND SOME ARE MADE BY EXPERT CRAFTSMEN.
WERE SOME MADE AT SPECIFIC LONGHOUSES IN VILLAGES BY TRIBAL SWORD MAKERS FOR SALE? THESE WOULD EITHER BE TRADED FOR BY TRADERS FROM CITIES OR PERHAPS TAKEN TO THE CITIES FOR TRADE BY THE TRIBE WHEN NEEDED. THESE WOULD FALL UNDER ETHNOGRAPHIC MODERN SWORDS. SOME MAY HAVE BEEN MADE IN SHOPS IN CITIES BY DAYAK CRAFTSMEN NOT FOLLOWING TRADITIONAL PATTERNS STILL ETHNOGRAPHIC BUT NOT AS PURE. BUT A MASTER CARVER WORKING IN CITIES FOLLOWING TRADITIONAL PATTERNS AND DESIGN WOULD MORE PURE. ALL EXAMPLES MADE BY NON DAYAK PEOPLE OR MADE IN COUNTRY'S OTHER THAN BORNEO WOULD NOT BE ETHNOGRAPHIC BUT REPLICAS.

THERE IS A LARGE NUMBER OF THESE AROUND AND THEY ARE STILL BEING MADE. ONE HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON WHEN, WHERE AND BY WHO THESE WERE MADE. FOR SOMEONE ON SITE TO DOCUMENT SOME OF THIS INFORMATION WHILE IT STILL EXISTS AND IS AVAILABLE WOULD BE OF BENEFIT. NO DOUBT THEY WILL BE COLLECTED BY THOSE WHO FOLLOW US SO THE INFORMATION AND HISTORY OF THESE TIMES WOULD HAVE VALUE.

THE TWO EXAMPLES STARTING THIS THREAD HAVE A SIMILAR BEAK LIKE FORM OF HANDLE IS THIS A TRADITIONAL FORM OF ANY PARTICULAR TRIBAL GROUP OR A MORE MODERN INTERPRETATION OF AN OLDER FORM?

8th March 2016, 04:12 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I AGREE WITH THE ASSESSMENTS GIVEN ABOVE BUT WOULD LIKE TO FIND INFORMATION ON WHERE AND BY WHO THESE MODERN MANDAUS ARE MADE.? FROM WHAT I COULD SEE IN THE SHOPS IN SARAWAK THERE WERE MANY VARIATIONS AND DIFFERENT AGES OF MANDAUS PRESENT FOR SALE. IT APPEARED DIFFERENT PEOPLE SET UP SHOP AND MADE A PARTICULAR TYPE TO SELL AND THEN WHEN ALL SOLD MADE A DIFFERENT TYPE OR DESIGN. AS A RESULT YOU SEE THE SAME TYPES IN ALL THE SHOPS SOME THAT HAVE OBVIOUSLY BEEN THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND SOME WITH NEW WRITTEN ALL OVER THEM. SOME ARE MADE USING TRADITIONAL DESIGNS AND SOME MADE UP SUCH AS DRAGONS, MERMAIDS AND SUCH. SOME ARE POORLY CARVED AND DECORATED AND SOME ARE MADE BY EXPERT CRAFTSMEN. WERE SOME MADE AT SPECIFIC LONGHOUSES IN VILLAGES BY TRIBAL SWORD MAKERS FOR SALE? THESE WOULD EITHER BE TRADED FOR BY TRADERS FROM CITIES OR PERHAPS TAKEN TO THE CITIES FOR TRADE BY THE TRIBE WHEN NEEDED. THESE WOULD FALL UNDER ETHNOGRAPHIC MODERN SWORDS. SOME MAY HAVE BEEN MADE IN SHOPS IN CITIES BY DAYAK CRAFTSMEN NOT FOLLOWING TRADITIONAL PATTERNS STILL ETHNOGRAPHIC BUT NOT AS PURE. BUT A MASTER CARVER WORKING IN CITIES FOLLOWING TRADITIONAL PATTERNS AND DESIGN WOULD MORE PURE. ALL EXAMPLES MADE BY NON DAYAK PEOPLE OR MADE IN COUNTRY'S OTHER THAN BORNEO WOULD NOT BE ETHNOGRAPHIC BUT REPLICAS. THERE IS A LARGE NUMBER OF THESE AROUND AND THEY ARE STILL BEING MADE. ONE HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON WHEN, WHERE AND BY WHO THESE WERE MADE. FOR SOMEONE ON SITE TO DOCUMENT SOME OF THIS INFORMATION WHILE IT STILL EXISTS AND IS AVAILABLE WOULD BE OF BENEFIT. NO DOUBT THEY WILL BE COLLECTED BY THOSE WHO FOLLOW US SO THE INFORMATION AND HISTORY OF THESE TIMES WOULD HAVE VALUE. THE TWO EXAMPLES STARTING THIS THREAD HAVE A SIMILAR BEAK LIKE FORM OF HANDLE IS THIS A TRADITIONAL FORM OF ANY PARTICULAR TRIBAL GROUP OR A MORE MODERN INTERPRETATION OF AN OLDER FORM?