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B.I · 21st July 2005, 08:43 AM

hi rick,
even more intriguing. professor rogers was khalilis teacher when he did his doctrate in SOAS and i believe their relationship began there. rogers knowledge is on islamic art, with a leaning towards painting. khalilis collection was not one of arms, but of islamic art with arms being an almost afterthought. when he began to compile the catalogues of his collection, he thought an arms collection needed to complete the islamic sphere, and so his collection was built up over a relatively short number of years.
david alexander, who is widely thought to be the leading academic on islamic arms, was called in to catalogue the collection and his studies into khalilis arms was just during this period. as the sword was not included in the catalogue, it seems unlikely that he would have researched it. a 13thC sabre is of great importance and so would not have been ommited.
as far as i am aware, khalili stopped compiling arms after the book was written, as the arms collection was for this purpose alone. i may be wrong but either way, i can find out in september through a meeting i have arranged.
i wonder if the sword was overlooked by alexander due to a 'spurious' date in his opinion and then taken up by someone else with more 'faith'.
i still stick with my initial opinion, but find the existance of this sword (at whatever date) intriguing enough to want to pursue it further.

another point on the seljuk blade, it is formed from a fully developed watered steel technology and shows a granular type pattern.
krill, apologies for hijacking your post and diverting it astray.

21st July 2005, 08:43 AM	#26
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	hi rick, even more intriguing. professor rogers was khalilis teacher when he did his doctrate in SOAS and i believe their relationship began there. rogers knowledge is on islamic art, with a leaning towards painting. khalilis collection was not one of arms, but of islamic art with arms being an almost afterthought. when he began to compile the catalogues of his collection, he thought an arms collection needed to complete the islamic sphere, and so his collection was built up over a relatively short number of years. david alexander, who is widely thought to be the leading academic on islamic arms, was called in to catalogue the collection and his studies into khalilis arms was just during this period. as the sword was not included in the catalogue, it seems unlikely that he would have researched it. a 13thC sabre is of great importance and so would not have been ommited. as far as i am aware, khalili stopped compiling arms after the book was written, as the arms collection was for this purpose alone. i may be wrong but either way, i can find out in september through a meeting i have arranged. i wonder if the sword was overlooked by alexander due to a 'spurious' date in his opinion and then taken up by someone else with more 'faith'. i still stick with my initial opinion, but find the existance of this sword (at whatever date) intriguing enough to want to pursue it further. another point on the seljuk blade, it is formed from a fully developed watered steel technology and shows a granular type pattern. krill, apologies for hijacking your post and diverting it astray.