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galvano 18th March 2007 05:15 PM

new kindjal
 
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Hello.
Here a new kindjal.
I did not determine the origin. Your opinion.
Overall length 42 cm.
Length of the blade 30 cm.
Handle in horn.
Can somebody it translate the writing?

ariel 18th March 2007 07:43 PM

The decorations are not Caucasian: look Turkish or Syrian to me.
1235H translates into 1819-1820 Gregorian. Old bugger...

galvano 19th March 2007 07:25 PM

kindjal
 
many thanks ariel (excuse my english)
galvano

Yannis 20th March 2007 12:07 PM

The metal band that connects throat and tip of the scabbard was common to Balkan kindjals. Also the decoration is similar to early 20th century weapons from the area. It could be from what is today Greece, Bulgaria, FYROM and that days Ottoman Macedonia. The blade looks earlier and from other origin

ariel 20th March 2007 04:07 PM

The same feature, ie connecting band, can be seen on authentic Caucasian Kindjals as well.
I can see your point about the decoration, but it is so bloody meager that I would hesitate pinpointing the exact region.
Can we agree on "Ottoman"? :)

Yannis 21st March 2007 11:01 AM

Ottoman is fine :D
Do you agree that it is around 1900? And probably the blade earlier?

ariel 21st March 2007 01:24 PM

Isn't id dated " 235"? Likely, 1235 H, ie 1819 Gregorian

Battara 21st March 2007 07:10 PM

I agree that the blade is older. Some of the work on the mounts do look newer, done on white metal (nickel silver) from the looks of it.

galvano 21st March 2007 08:19 PM

investigation
 
a true police investigation.

Thank you for your assistance
galvano

galvano 22nd March 2007 07:36 PM

nickel silver
 
hi
battara, nickel silver= 1820
galvano

janti 23rd June 2007 04:21 PM

Hi all, its a circassian kindjal ( 18th century ) who lives in jordan.
I saw many of them in jordan.

TVV 23rd June 2007 07:02 PM

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I am with Yannis on this one. The fittings look Balkan to me, and later to the blade. To me it looks like it might have been recently restored, as there are skilled craftsmen in Bulgaria and I am sure all other Balkan countries that do such work. I have attached a picture of a kama I have and another picture of a kama from the calendar of a reenactment society, both modern and made by the same bladesmith.
Also, keep in mind that there were plenty of Circassians in the Balkans, relocated there by the Ottomans in the 19th century.
Regards,
Teodor

http://www.boinaslava.net/coppermine...al_kama02a.JPG


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