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Alam Shah 22nd February 2007 07:06 AM

Origin of this hilt type
 
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Hi all, attached are pictures of a hilt type in the kerdas form.
Where is this form found? Where does it originated from? :shrug:

The hilt cup is not original to the piece, (just a decoration).

Does anyone have information regarding this form, pictures of similar examples... Any help would be appreciated. :)

Alam Shah 5th March 2007 12:56 AM

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More pictures to help identify this hilt type. :) :confused:
Based on the stocky size, I think it is a Penghulu (chieftain) type. :shrug:

Marcokeris 5th March 2007 11:36 AM

Could be similar to handle type: "fish that is eating another little fish"

Battara 6th March 2007 12:42 AM

This looks Bugis to me.

Alam Shah 6th March 2007 03:46 AM

Marco,
An interesting thought and a good lead ... I'll check it out. Thanks. :)

Battara,
Yes... It does looks Bugis, thanks.
Any idea which region it was used or originated from? :confused:
Imho, the sheath, is a "chieftain" type, but the aesthetics are different.

Alam Shah.

Battara 7th March 2007 01:32 AM

Possibly Suluwesi?

Emanuel 7th March 2007 02:22 AM

Hello,

In the book Ragam Hulu Keris there is a very similar ukiran on page 75:
"116. Sulawesi Jawa Denam, merupakan bentuk standar di Sulawesi Selatan." It may support the Bugis/Sulawesi thought.

I will scan the page tomorrow and post it.

Regards,
Emanuel

Alam Shah 7th March 2007 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Manolo
Hello,

In the book Ragam Hulu Keris there is a very similar ukiran on page 75:
"116. Sulawesi Jawa Denam, merupakan bentuk standar di Sulawesi Selatan." It may support the Bugis/Sulawesi thought.

I will scan the page tomorrow and post it.

Regards,
Emanuel

Thanks Manolo, you've keen eyes :p ... There are many similarities between them. Looking at it closely, there are also many differences as well. :) :shrug:

Emanuel 8th March 2007 03:21 AM

Yup, I do indeed see differences. Some more corroboration on the Sulawesi provenance comes via Frey's book...shows a good number of keris with ukiran very close (though maybe not quite identical :D ) to yours, labelled as Sulawesi-Bugis. Too bad he doesn't provide names for them...nice pics though.

Emanuel

Oops, I get it :o you already know it's Bugis, but need specifics... :)

Alam Shah 8th March 2007 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manolo
... Some more corroboration on the Sulawesi provenance comes via Frey's book...shows a good number of keris with ukiran very close (though maybe not quite identical :D ) to yours, labelled as Sulawesi-Bugis. Too bad he doesn't provide names for them...nice pics though.

Thanks again Manolo for the effort. ;) The thing is, it's close but none is an exact match, at least in terms of design or aesthetics... hmmm...

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Originally Posted by Manolo
... Oops, I get it :o you already know it's Bugis, but need specifics... :)

Sorry :o ... I should have mentioned that I know it's probably Bugis, but from where? Sulawesi? Riau-Lingga? Sumatra? Peninsular? or elsewhere...:shrug:


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