please what is it ?
 

hi all
please what is it?

OOh a chinese Mace! Thats ratther unusual. Looks heavy? I'm sure the experts in such things will be along to give you the details soon. I rather like it though :D

hi galvano
i saw such an iron mace by an friend. he told me also that it is an chinece mace. it is an very heavy thing , complete from iron. i can´t believe that it is good to use in an real fight.

Depends on how strong the person wielding it was. Yep, it's a Chinese mace.

The one thing of interest is the dragon guard and dragons along the head. That makes me think that it was a temple weapon, and perhaps more for show.

Problem with that idea is that I've seen very few Chinese maces, and I've definitely never seen one used in a temple.

Neat object!

Mace/Club Chinese
 

Hi,

I want to post my new chinese mace, but before I did, I checked the treads so far and found out, there is an tread already of the same subject.
So I could only add my photos.
It is whole cast from iron .Sadly mine have two heavy cracks in the head.
The head itself is hollow.
I will put it around 1850.

These look like all the elements have come from the same mould and most probably a sand casting.

Definately a Chinese mace, also called a Jian, but using a different character to that used for the sword. One Chinese site, the one I got this pic from, called it a Sleeve Mace and described it as an assassins weapon. The Chinese were casting iron from the early first millenium, so all bets are off as to dating, but if genuine probably Quing period as that era saw a lot of personal weaponry of this type produced.

As for dating, I think most of these for sale are very late 20th century or early 21st. Very many of these very similar to this, but historically this doesn't seem to be an overwhelming majority (see Stone fig 533 for a variety of Chinese maces).

Hi,
in the head there were some sand, which comes out of the cracks.
Yes, i`m not sure for the age, because I have no literature about that topic.
What is the title of the book from the Stone you mentioned.
Probably I could get it in a libary

best Dirk

The book is by George Cameron Stone, A Glossary of the Construction Decoration and Use of Arms and Armour in all Countries and in all Times. Usualy referred to as "Stones Glossary" ISBN 0-486-40726-8 (phk). Probably the single most usefull book a collecter can have, despite it's age.

Hi
I am sorry, but most of these items are really late 20th - 21st :shrug:
They are smaller in size than ancient hammers, but more than recent small knobsticks. But look respectable, and are suitable for delivery. :(

They are called "chui" and the ones with dragons are recent. The last one looks more promising.

I was fooled by one of the dragon sword breakers recently, they look good, and you can find them everywhere from eBay to respectable dealers, but they are all fakes. Luckily the respectable dealers will give you your money back.

The jian sword breaker is more of an iron bar with a square or octagonal cross section with a tapering construction and appears very similar to the bian type iron whip, which has a more flattened cross section. The iron ruler is also similar but looks like,... an iron ruler with a handle.

The genuine examples of this class of weapons tend to be of simple construction made of good folded steel, not cast iron or brass.
Josh