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oariff 7th May 2024 04:19 AM

Tumbuk Lada or Sewar
 
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Hi,

Need help. Is this a Tumbuk Lada? Sumatra or Peninsular Malaysia / Patani?
Could it be a an old badik or sewar blade in a Tumbuk Lada Dress?

Cheers.

Sajen 7th May 2024 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by oariff (Post 290751)
Need help. Is this a Tumbuk Lada? Sumatra or Peninsular Malaysia / Patani?
Could it be a an old badik or sewar blade in a Tumbuk Lada Dress?

Hi Oariff,

It's a Malay badik. See the attachment, it's my example. Too sad that the blade is so much eaten, the fittings are superb.

Regards,
Detlef

mariusgmioc 8th May 2024 08:50 AM

I would call it a sewar.
An older, possibly centuries old blade in 20th century dress.

mariusgmioc 8th May 2024 08:50 AM

double message

Sajen 8th May 2024 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc (Post 290793)
I would call it a sewar.
An older, possibly centuries old blade in 20th century dress.

Hello Marius,

We had a similar discussion here 2013 before: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=badik
Look special to #38, our senior member Dave Henkel who is very knowledgeable about Malay blades explained it very clearly. The dagger in question is a Malay badik and I guess that the fittings are antique as well.
Here post #38 from the given thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...8&postcount=38
I've said the same as you to this time but I was prooven wrong!:D

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen 8th May 2024 09:55 AM

Look also to this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=sewar

It's always the name game, when a sewar like dagger coming from Malaysia it's called there as badik!
The blades could be somewhat broader like the blade which started the thread.

Regards,
Detlef

mariusgmioc 8th May 2024 07:58 PM

Thank you Detlef for the link to the discussion.

Now, I'm not so sure this knife comes from Malaysia. :confused:

Sajen 8th May 2024 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc (Post 290804)
Thank you Detlef for the link to the discussion.

Now, I'm not so sure this knife comes from Malaysia. :confused:

Hi Marius,

Just compare the mouth pieces from the scabbards, the one in question, my example and the ones in the given thread. It's the best evidence. ;)
Also blade shape, handle style, blade bolster and the used materials are signs but when there is a scabbard the mouthpiece is the give-away.

Regards,
Detlef

oariff 9th May 2024 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen (Post 290805)
Hi Marius,

Just compare the mouth pieces from the scabbards, the one in question, my example and the ones in the given thread. It's the best evidence. ;)
Also blade shape, handle style, blade bolster and the used materials are signs but when there is a scabbard the mouthpiece is the give-away.

Regards,
Detlef

Hi Detlef,

Will this one be a Malaysian Badik too?

Cheers?

Sajen 9th May 2024 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by oariff (Post 290847)
Will this one be a Malaysian Badik too?

Hi Oariff,

Yes, it's a Malay badik. Scabbard crosspiece, the very nice handle in aka bahar, typical Malay. Also the scabbard foot is clearly Malay. Let me know when you get tired of looking at it. ;)

Regards,
Detlef


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