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VANDERNOTTE 29th September 2012 01:42 AM

koummya
 
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bonjour
somebody can tell mi if this koummya is old enough to be in a collection
regard
jacques

eric45 29th September 2012 04:38 AM

Looks like a nice one.

archer 29th September 2012 05:48 AM

Nice Koummya
 
Hi Jacques, Always nice to find a signed and decorated blade. The sheath style
is I'd say early Nineteen hundreds. You didn't say but assume it is silver. Great
start on a collection. Steve

A.alnakkas 29th September 2012 02:42 PM

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Nice, similar to one I have!

Dom 29th September 2012 05:18 PM

Hello
both koummyas are beautiful
but when I look for "le melopsitte", it's absolutely unknown on the net
a part that, it's a bird from Australia ! strange :confused:

these koummyas, give me to think,
more a special order made to be offered as gift to a very special guest,
than a country production, even of hight standard

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Originally Posted by archer
Hi Jacques, Always nice to find a signed and decorated blade. The sheath style
is I'd say early Nineteen hundreds. You didn't say but assume it is silver. Great
start on a collection. Steve

before 1929 the "stainless" wasn't commercialized :shrug:
and the 2 blades "le Meropsitte" are ... stainless (mention of INOX on )
for me these Khoumeyyas are made around ± 1960/70 at the oldest

all the best

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Dom

archer 29th September 2012 06:04 PM

Another example
 
Great work Dom. Following your lead the bird maybe a dove. Interesting about the early use of stainless. Here's one very much like Lotfys. I like both of them.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=17718

Ibrahiim al Balooshi 29th September 2012 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by archer
Great work Dom. Following your lead the bird maybe a dove. Interesting about the early use of stainless. Here's one very much like Lotfys. I like both of them.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=17718

Salaams ~ Or a Parakeet?
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi :shrug:

Dom 29th September 2012 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by archer
Great work Dom. Following your lead the bird maybe a dove. Interesting about the early use of stainless. Here's one very much like Lotfys. I like both of them.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=17718

yes, I saw it, it's from there that I got the evidence of the mention "inox" :p
the mention in Arabic ; "al esteqlal" either "The Independence" ;)

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Dom

Dom 29th September 2012 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Salaams ~ Or a Parakeet?

Salam Ibrahiim
yes, you are correct
in US = parakeet
in UK = budgie
in FR = perruche ;)

all the best

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Dom

Dom 29th September 2012 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by A.alnakkas
Nice, similar to one I have!

to satisfy the curiosity of non-Arabists
on the A.alnakkas's blade is written in Arabic
- "El Ahd El Jadid" or "new life" :p

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Dom

VANDERNOTTE 29th September 2012 07:36 PM

i rechek
my don't say inox and is in peru at list for 50 years
jacques

Dom 29th September 2012 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDERNOTTE
i rechek
my don't say inox and is in peru at list for 50 years
jacques

at least 50 years, you said Jacques ...
that make sense with what I gave as date; ± 1960 either; ± 58 years
it's not before 1956 that the Maroc acceded to his independency
before this date,
the country wasn't structured enough to produce such items of high quality
I well noticed, that the "ricasso" of your koummya seems be old ... or old fashion :p

what make a question mark, it's that mark of "le melopsitte"
who hasn't existence some where else, no idea what was (is) behind ? :confused:

amicalement

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Dom

VANDERNOTTE 29th September 2012 09:33 PM

koummta
 
i agree whis you dom,my feeling is the koummya and the chiken are moderns
but in 40 years is the only decent blade i so
wayting for something better.
tk all

A.alnakkas 29th September 2012 10:35 PM

Not sure I got much to add, but the Arabic on my koummya says: Al Ahd alJadeed (New Era)

archer 30th September 2012 12:15 AM

A thought
 
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Since The first koummya isn't marked stainless and the blade shows some tarnishing, I'm still thinking 30s 40s.
Can we begin to date undated koummya by their style of dress? I'm not sure maybe the styling is just more regional.
Here are two examples I believe are WWII bring backs . They both have the same baldric styles. the top one, used a bit has very polished blade maker markings look worn off. Is it perhaps stainless?? This koummya has a presentation plate, dated 1943.


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