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CharlesS 22nd September 2020 01:41 PM
Last one: A Keris Madura
 
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Looks to be a small, well worn, keris Madura. The wooden hilt is quite simple by Madurese standards. The wrangka is more impressive.

Insights appreciated.

Jean 22nd September 2020 02:13 PM
AFAIK this style of hilt is called sandang walikat. A nice and old specimen of Madurese kris. :)

Interested Party 22nd September 2020 05:44 PM
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AFAIK this style of hilt is called sandang walikat. A nice and old specimen of Madurese kris. :)
Is sandang walikat derived from kocet kocetan? The first two pictures particularly brought that to mind.

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Jean 22nd September 2020 07:01 PM
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Is sandang walikat derived from kocet kocetan? The first two pictures particularly brought that to mind.
No, sandang walikat designates a style of triangular kris scabbard from Java or Madura, see attached specimen, and also apparently a style of Madurese hilt, see pic.
Regards

Jean 22nd September 2020 08:39 PM
By the way, the pendok seems to be missing and the black horn inserts on the gandar are probaly more recent than the waranga itself.

Interested Party 27th September 2020 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Jean
No, sandang walikat designates a style of triangular kris scabbard from Java or Madura, see attached specimen, and also apparently a style of Madurese hilt, see pic.
Regards
Are the hilts called sandang walikat because the hilt profile is triangular like the scabbard? Would Sanjen's post #43 of this thread, http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=repair, contain sandang walikat hilts as well, even though these hilts are planar and not carved?

David 28th September 2020 04:39 AM
Charles, i find this Madura keris of yours quite enchanting. Thanks for showing. :)

A. G. Maisey 28th September 2020 04:48 AM
IP, I would suggest that these hilts are called sandang walikat hilts because they are the correct hilt to wear with a sandang walikat wrongko.

sandang = clothing

walikat = shoulder blade (scapula)

Paul B. 28th September 2020 01:02 PM
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Amazed that the sheath looks identical to mine. Never saw one before with horn tip end and decorative collar.

Marcokeris 28th September 2020 01:39 PM
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Amazed that the sheath look identical to mine. Never saw one before with horn tip end and decorative collar.
Beautiful sheath! @@

David 28th September 2020 04:34 PM
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Amazed that the sheath looks identical to mine. Never saw one before with horn tip end and decorative collar.
Well, they do have similar decorative collars and a black horn toe on the gandar, yes, but these two sheaths are hardly identical. In fact, similarities aside, they are two completely different sheath forms. ;)

Jean 1st October 2020 11:07 AM
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Another Madurese scabbard in sandang walikat style with horn inserts, these are not that rare IMO.

Interested Party 2nd October 2020 05:21 PM
Could these horn pieces be repairs? Both the buntut and the joint the wranka are areas that are frequently stressed.

Jean 2nd October 2020 08:39 PM
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Could these horn pieces be repairs? Both the buntut and the joint the wranka are areas that are frequently stressed.
IMO these horn pieces could be either stylistic additions, or repairs, or for increasing the scabbard length and matching the blade length.


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