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roanoa 3rd October 2006 04:43 PM

ETHIOPIAN, ANYONE?
 
Hi guys. As you must know by now, I am interested in Ethiopian weapons. I would like to know how many of you share this interest, even marginally, and how many of you actually have Ethiopian weapons. Hope I'll get some response. Cheers, RON

CharlesS 3rd October 2006 04:52 PM

I'm in Ron...even love the food too...but you already knew that. :)

Flavio 3rd October 2006 04:57 PM

Me too, as you know :)

Lew 3rd October 2006 05:03 PM

Count me in!

Lew

Tim Simmons 3rd October 2006 06:23 PM

How could you not be? :confused:

ariel 3rd October 2006 06:58 PM

I like Gurades, but not food.... Sorry.
Read the most recent Flashman's adventure" Flashman on the March": British Magdala campain.

Michael Blalock 3rd October 2006 08:52 PM

I like the women moslty but the weapons are nice too.

katana 3rd October 2006 09:22 PM

Rich history......and some very nice weapons......

Nagawarrior 3rd October 2006 10:05 PM

Definitely find the weapons interesting. Going to have to try the food.

Jeff D 4th October 2006 01:03 AM

Count me in Ron! I don't have any in my collection though, someone out here seems to be getting them all first ;) .

Jeff

roanoa 4th October 2006 01:57 AM

Hi, guys. I'm happy to see some interest. I am sure there still are some guys out there that will join the team. I plan to share with you some of my best pieces (maybe one a week). I would be glad to shatre some food as well .... (Derho Wat is my favourite. SUPER hot!). At least one of you has mentioned the women. They are as fascinating as their swords and as spicy as their food. Cheers, RON

roanoa 4th October 2006 03:17 AM

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Here is the first "gem" from my collection. A great Amhara shield of heavy leather, velvet and gilded decorations. I have showed you mine: show me yours!! Selamta. Ron

TVV 4th October 2006 04:04 AM

Marginal interest in the weapons, especially saifs and gurades. Haven't tried the food, and maybe I should.

Lew 4th October 2006 04:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by roanoa
Here is the first "gem" from my collection. A great Amhara shield of heavy leather, velvet and gilded decorations. I have showed you mine: show me yours!! Selamta. Ron


roanoa

Here is one of mine a sword not a shield though.

Lew

Bill M 4th October 2006 02:09 PM

I really like Ethiopian pieces!
 
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The the weapons and the religious artifacts are really neat. I have some swords with good german blades. One with a hilt that may be translucent rhino horn. Menelik period.

They even claim to have the Ark of the Covenant somewhere.

I really like the prayer scrolls / talismans.

Here is an Etiopean curiosity. About 4 inches long. Some kind of silver, probably low grade.

Any guesses? If you already know for sure, please hold off posting the answer. I think it would be fun to hear some guesses.

spiral 4th October 2006 03:36 PM

Coke spoon if modern or ear cleaner if old? :D

Spiral

roanoa 4th October 2006 04:15 PM

Hi Bill. SPIRAL nailed it! Post your swords, PLEASE.

Bill M 4th October 2006 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spiral
Coke spoon if modern or ear cleaner if old? :D

Spiral

Aww, Spiral, You gave it away! I was hoping for some off-the-wall guesses!

Lew 4th October 2006 10:28 PM

My guess is a snuff spoon I always see the African snuff containers on ebay.



Lew

Tim Simmons 4th October 2006 10:38 PM

The weapons I have are far from noteworthy but this is. I have not had confirmation that it is Ethiopian but i think it is. I also have a rather nice painting on vellum. I wander off subject. This might be the container for the coke.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ppy/egg003.jpg

Bill M 5th October 2006 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons
The weapons I have are far from noteworthy but this is. I have not had confirmation that it is Ethiopian but i think it is. I also have a rather nice painting on vellum. I wander off subject. This might be the container for the coke.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ppy/egg003.jpg


Looks like a one time use lunchbox!

Bill M 5th October 2006 03:36 AM

I made a mistake in posting. I mant to REPLY and somehow got NEW THREAD. submitted it and then found out that I was wrong, but there seemed no way to put in in your thread. So here is a link.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3282

I have more Ethiopian swords and stuff and will post them here in the right thread.

spiral 5th October 2006 07:26 PM

Its a coke spoon then Bill? :D

I thought an ear wax collector was quite of the wall! ;)

Spiral :rolleyes:

Bill M 6th October 2006 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiral
Its a coke spoon then Bill? :D

I thought an ear wax collector was quite of the wall! ;)

Spiral :rolleyes:

It IS an ear wax collector! Did you just guess? That is really impressive!

spiral 6th October 2006 10:45 PM

Sorry Bill just teasing, :D

You see similar tools in some kukri pouches. ;) So semi-educated guess realy.

Spiral

roanoa 7th October 2006 01:25 AM

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OK, guys. Here is a selection of some European gurade grips and a couple of local imitation. The plain pommel (seen lots of these) has the Lion of Judah and the initial of Menelik on the lanquettes. The "Lion head" (lots of these also) has plain lanquette. The second "lion head" has a more elaborate design and the Lion of Judah on one of the lanquettes, the other one is plain. (Only seen two of these). The fourth one (unique) was copied/imitated in German silver by a local smith. Both lanquettes have the Lion of Judah. Last (also unique) is a gilded, locally made high quality one. Blade is a very nice Wilkinson. Both lanquettes have angels. Can any of you add to this?

Nagawarrior 7th October 2006 05:11 AM

Didn't have a chance to show the examples I have of Ethiopian weapons in my earlier post. At least I'm pretty sure the shields are right.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...n/IMG_0943.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...n/img_0296.jpg

roanoa 7th October 2006 07:28 AM

I can see your interest spans from Morocco to Somalia.... Nice gurade and shuields. Even nicer billao.

Bill M 8th October 2006 02:03 AM

gurade
 
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I saw Ron's posting of the Guades and though I might post this one.

Did a little blade cleanup with 600 grit and 1500 grit sandpaper.

Sure would like to have a translation. I am sure that I will post these upside down. Have no ida about which way is corrrect, but everytime I ask for a translation, its upside down.

Does the GG and thermometer on the blade mean some sword manufacturer like Solingen?

Anyway here it is.

roanoa 8th October 2006 03:42 AM

The first word on the blade is MENELIK (Emperor of Ethiopia before Haile Selassie) and you have it upside down. Ethiopian sentences (in this case it's just a word) end with 4 dots as in the second inscription which is SAINT GEORGE (protector of Ethiopia). The writing on the ricasso is a bit of a puzzle because it says NIKOLA SUPPLIER TO THE EMPEROR and I have no idea of who this NIKOLA was. Maybe one of the many Armenian traders that supplied European goods to Ethiopia. The GG has generated a flurry of interpretations. Someone has suggested GRENAL of GLASGOW (doubt it...) or GEBRUDER GRAH (doubt it...). Jeff Demetrick and I had a discussion about this and we agree that in all likelyhood is GESETZLICH GESCHUETZT (ofter referred to as GES GESH) which I believe means REGISTERD MARK. I actually documented a sword that under the Lion of Judah has the words GES GESH. Jeff also identified the thermometer, but I have to dig out that info. Jeff: help!!


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