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ariel 10th April 2006 04:07 AM

Balkan (????) knife
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6613293604
What is so Balkan about it?
I do not like it at all: it is, to my mind, pretentious, tasteless and kitschy. Very souvenir-ish....

Valjhun 10th April 2006 07:45 AM

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Dear Sensei,

It's me again :) Well I do not know. It looks to me crap also.

BUT

Take a look at the following poicture :eek: That is what you can buy in Montenegro as a souvenir and it is called: "THE NATIONAL KNIFE OF MONTENEGRO!!" Note the similarities: subject, style of guard...

Am I the only one to see the connection? I'm frustrated. Is there any remote possibilty that similar knives existed in montengro in the past and thatone from the auction is one of them and the on from tha photo is a modern reinterpretation?

Oriental-Arms 10th April 2006 08:02 AM

Lebanese not Balkan
 
This is a Lebanese knife. The bird head shaped horn handle with colored inserets (corals original, plastic these days) is very typical motif ans and apears on many Lebanese daggers as well as eating utensils forks knives etc. from the second half of the 20 c.

See for example the handle of the right dagger (older and of better quality):

http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos/extra/73/000273.jpg

ariel 10th April 2006 02:20 PM

Well, as usual, we got the definitive answer. Thanks, Artzi.

Valjhun 10th April 2006 04:27 PM

Yes, I agree too, thanks Mr. Arzi.

I was wondering however if that montenegro national knife had some true predecessors... :confused:

kronckew 11th April 2006 08:12 PM

reminds me of this current production bosnian knife:

http://www.valiantco.com/world/BosnianDamFS.JPG

ariel 11th April 2006 11:49 PM

Well, if this is the case, the dagger in question is indeed Balkan.
New or old?

drdavid 12th April 2006 03:32 AM

I think the differentiating point here is the crossguard of the hilt. The Lebanese examples have a very consistant appearance whereas the ebay item and the new production knife do not have that crossguard...so are more likely related. As to new or old?????
cheers
DrD


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