Golok Pandjang Sintoeng restoration
 

Hi all,
You may remember that this sword had some scabbard issues.
Hope you approve of the restoration.
New scabbard end is carved from a single piece of buffalo horn.
I think at the moment it needs to be a little thinner, what do you guys think?
Before and after photos below>

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC10581.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC10568.jpg


........and after.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC10885.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC10880.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC10884.jpg

I think the style is correct and I'm agree that it just needs to be thinner. :)

Photo source: KITLV

Thinner
 

Agreed mate, thinner. Kind of looks like a walking aid at the moment.

Gav

ROTF!!! Oh how sharper than a serpents tooth! ;)

Good work already but agree with you and the others, work it a little bit thinner and it will fit perfect!

Regards,

Detlef

Thanks the picture is a great help.
Best
Gene

Hmmm, difficulty is, the top mount sits into a recess and the bottom doesn't. So it's always going to look 'fatter' than the top.
Also The horn I'm using is darker :(

Does this look any better?

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC10889.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC10888.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC10886.jpg

Very nice work Gene. I do have one question though, on the few that I have seen up close the scabbard tip was open (slotted) on the bottom and I presume this was so water could drain out and not build up in the scabbard. What are your as well as everyone else's thoughts on this? Once again that is some very nice work that you have done on the restoration.

Robert

Hmmm, thats interesting....

I'll do more if it needs it, but all I can taste is burning hair at the moment. Working this stuff is pretty awful.

Hullo Gene,

Great job!
Traditionally, the end of the scabbard was recessed so that the sock slipped in snugly and was pinned as necessary.
I see you already have a variety of socks as examples (they can vary in height/length; from about 0.5cm to upwards of 5cm). The main thing is, to make it aesthetically pleasing/flow.
Don't forget to clean the blade to your satisfaction and then maintain it at that level.

Best,

Nice work!

Yeah, working with horn or ivory gives off that burnt hair smell to me. Bone can too. :rolleyes:

Hi Amuk and Jose.

I've thinned it as far as I can. It's a difficult thing to get right. The lack of a rebate means that even the original piece must have looked noticably thicker than the wood.
How does this look guys?

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC11013.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC11012.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC11009.jpg

Looks much better now. You have done a remarkable job on this one and brought it back to its former glory.

"Looks much better now. You have done a remarkable job on this one and brought it back to its former glory."

My thoughts exactly. You've done a wonderful job on restoring this Gene.

Robert

Hi Gene,

my compliment on the work, I know how its smells ( mostly my wife and kids are not enthousiastic when I do such restores :D )
about the shape ,take a good look at the pictures of the original. You made the lines straight but they should be lightly curved, I think if you can fix that It will be perfect.

Arjan

Thanks Guys :)

Arjan,
I think you're right!
I'll get straight on it.........

Best
Gene

Great post! Good work Gene! Great constructive feedback by all! Love to see bone scabbard end fitting evolve into a more aesthetic result! Beautiful!

Good point Arjan. I agree on the curves into the horn.

Oh yeah, I have found that when I work on ivory, horn, or sometimes even bone, there can be a definite, how could I say it..........aromatic stench! :eek:

Goes right through a mask too. :rolleyes:

Bad memories of anatomy dissection lab...sawing through the cranium the saw got hot from the friction and it smelled like Doritotos....don't ask me why but that is what I remember...

At work, whenever I have to ring a hospital Morgue I seem to ring when they are performing a PM and can hear that awful sound in the background!!

Thanks for adding the thought of the 'scent' to it for me ;)
Don't think I'll ever be touching a Dorito again............ :eek:

I'm hoping this now looks OK.

Two last questions:
1: Held on with horn pins like the top mount?
2: Drainage hole in the bottom?

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC11015.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC11017.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC11023.jpg


And for comparison, here it is before the reshape:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC10880.jpg

Hi Gene,

that looks much better now ! One more question , did you also reshape the long sides or only the short ones ? ( it looks if you only did the short sides but its difficult to see)

I would say horn pins and no drainage hole....

Arjan

Hi Arjan,

I reshaped the entire piece, it's difficult to see in the pics, but I reduced the whole thing by over a third in weight.
The scabbard and the top mount both have a flat 'end' and a rounded one. So I followed that on this mount.
The scabbard isn't exactly symetrical, so this mount has to follow that slightly irregular shape (slightly flatter on one side).
Have a look at these pictures of the mount 'off' hopefully it'll show it better.
Any comments welcome.

Best
Gene

P.S. I usually enjoy making little bits for weapons, but working this substance is not enjoyable in any way.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC11027.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC11025.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC11024.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...a/SDC11028.jpg

Yes, like it better. Again nice work. :)

Thanks Jose :)

Very well done! :)

Very well done Atlantia.
What are you using to shape the material, a Dremel tool?

Hi Gene,

It looks very good now ! My compliments ! Do you have rattan for the missing part ?

Arjan

Thanks Sajen :)

Kino,
I used a bench grinder to get the rough shape, then a dremel with a sandpaper cylinder grinder to shape it a bit more. Dremel with small circular cutter bit and cylinder grindstone to route it out, back to sandpaper cylinder to get the shape a bit closer, then over to hand sanding on a block and files to gradually (very, very painfully slowly) reduce the shape again and again until it's as you see now.
Polish with fine silicon carbide as if its metal.
:(

Arjan,

Do you think the rattan would have gone all the way down?
Thats good news :p

Best
Gene

Arjan,

Do you think the rattan would have gone all the way down?
Thats good news :p

Best
Gene[/QUOTE]

Hi Gene,

yes I am sure about that and it will be the finishing touch .
do you know how to get it and make a patina on it ?

best regards,

Arjan

Hi Gene,

yes I am sure about that and it will be the finishing touch .
do you know how to get it and make a patina on it ?

best regards,

Arjan[/QUOTE]


Hmmm, not sure if I can source any to be honest.

Hmmm, not sure if I can source any to be honest.[/QUOTE]

I will send you a pm.

I will send you a pm.[/QUOTE]


Thank you :)