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David 22nd February 2008 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Marsh
Looks Malay.

I believe it is Bill. Langkasuka was a kingdom which later became Pattani.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langkasuka

blacklacrau 22nd February 2008 03:14 PM

Sandokan
 
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Do u remenber Sandokan "The tiger of Mompracen" from Emilio Salgari ??
A story in borneo...

Lots of kris, parangs, daos...dayaks!

HangPC2 23rd February 2008 07:23 AM

Tjoet Nja' Dhien (1988)



Weapon : Peudeueng Peusangan (Hulu Meu Apet) , Peudeueng Peusangan (Hulu Tumpang Beunteung) , Rencong , Dutch Klewang



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzAUMzPU0FU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc9zvFObC2E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc9zvFObC2E



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VANDOO 23rd March 2008 01:44 AM

I JUST WATCHED AN INDIA FILM (THE TIGER AND THE FLAME) IT IS SAID TO HAVE BEEN INDIAS FIRST CINIMASCOPE FILM AND IS ONE OF THE EPICS WITH A CAST OF THOUSANDS. VERY COLORFUL WITH PALACES,ELEPHANTS, DANCING GIRLS, CANNONS AND BATTLES, IT IS AVAILABLE ON DVD. THE STORY IS OF A QUEEN WHO TRYS TO FREE HER COUNTRY FROM THE BRITISH EAST INDIA COMPANY.

A STRANGE BLACK AND WHITE FILM THAT IS ALMOST OPERATIC IS (ALEXANDER NEVSKY)MADE IN RUSSIA IN 1938 IT DEALS WITH THE RUSSIANS FIGHTING THE GERMANS DURING THE DAYS OF SWORDS AND ARMOR.

THE MOVIE (PATHFINDER) WAS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY , THE RECENT VERSION WAS BASED ON A PREVIOUS (PATHFINDER). THE ORIGINAL IS MUCH CLOSER TO FACTS AND A MUCH BETTER STORY AS WELL. IT IS ALSO OLDER AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY IN BLACK AND WHITE. I AM NOT SURE WHERE THE STORY COMES FROM ORIGINALLY BUT THE TRIBAL PEOPLE REMINDED ME OF LAPPS AND THEY DID HAVE REINDEER.

Rick 26th August 2008 02:54 AM

Yet Again !!
 
Hahahaha !!!
Back from the dead .... :D

Warner Herzog's

Aguirre (Wrath of God) .
Klaus Kinski stars .

Seriously good IMHO . :)


Now back to watching the DVD . :D

Rick

David 26th August 2008 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick
Hahahaha !!!
Back from the dead .... :D

Warner Herzog's

Aguirre (Wrath of God) .
Klaus Kinski stars .

Seriously good IMHO . :)


Now back to watching the DVD . :D

Rick

Ah Yes, Werner Herzog's Aguirre, The Wrath of God has been on my top 10 list for many years. Klaus is just terrific in that role...and i believe that's his actually daughter, Nastasha, playing his daughter in the film. This is really a must see, not so much for the weapons, but just because it is great film making. The ending will haunt you forever. :)

Rick 26th August 2008 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by David
Ah Yes, Werner Herzog's Aguirre, The Wrath of God has been on my top 10 list for many years. Klaus is just terrific in that role...and i believe that's his actually daughter, Nastasha, playing his daughter in the film. This is really a must see, not so much for the weapons, but just because it is great film making. The ending will haunt you forever. :)

So will the beginning .......... :cool:

That film had to be a logistical nightmare to make 30 odd years ago .

Spunjer 20th October 2008 10:11 PM

here an interesting one coming up:


http://www.filmstalker.co.uk/archive...2_trailer.html


Ong Bak 2. freakin tony jaa is the fo'shizzle!!!

can't wait for this one

Andrew 21st October 2008 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Spunjer
here an interesting one coming up:


http://www.filmstalker.co.uk/archive...2_trailer.html


Ong Bak 2. freakin tony jaa is the fo'shizzle!!!

can't wait for this one

Nice! :cool:

migueldiaz 21st October 2008 05:14 AM

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has braveheart been mentioned already?

earlier, bill posted an article on wallace's 6-pound and 5-foot sword leaving scotland for the first time.

migueldiaz 23rd October 2008 06:58 AM

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I'd also highly recommend "Hero", an epic Chinese story.

The cinematography is superb, the sword fights are excellent, and the story that is full of twists and turns is very engaging.

kronckew 31st October 2008 12:17 PM

having been reading the kampilan thread ala bill marsh with interest, i happened to see Hollywood's 'thief of Baghdad' with Sabu, over the weekend.

there is a point where he opens a bottle, gets the traditional genie & three wishes, he then gets flown to the top of the tallest peak in the top of the world to steal the 'all-seeing eye' from a temple idol.

after arrival, he liberates a sword from a long dead skeleton, all covered in cob-webs ('conan' plagiarism?) as he cleaned off the web, it becomes obvious it's a kampilan, complete with traditional hilt wound in rattan, sinuous metal staple on one side, crocodile beak blade, etc. he then climbs the idol, and a giant spiders web with the kampilan between his teeth, kills the giant spider & unfortunately drops the sword never to be seen again....

there of course were the more common shamshir and daggers throughout.

not bad for a sixty-odd year old movie.

migueldiaz 31st October 2008 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew
... having been reading the kampilan thread ala bill marsh with interest, i happened to see Hollywood's 'thief of Baghdad' with Sabu, over the weekend ... after arrival, he liberates a sword from a long dead skeleton, all covered in cob-webs ('conan' plagiarism?) as he cleaned off the web, it becomes obvious it's a kampilan, complete with traditional hilt wound in rattan, sinuous metal staple on one side, crocodile beak blade, etc.

Thanks Kronckew.

Being a Filipino that is struck with kampilan-philia, I need to see that movie! :)

Also, the kampilan's appearance in that movie was mentioned earlier --
ruel
Senior Member posted 06-25-2004 04:48

Thief of Bagdad (1949): Kampilan, tachi, firangi, yataghan. Don't believe me? Go ahead, watch it...

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tom hyle
Senior Member posted 06-25-2004 09:10

... Theif of Baghdad seems to feature some "real" weapons ... "Theif" contains one of the instances of holding a kampilan backward, which seems like it'd be obvious with a real sword ...
Thanks again Kronckew :)

kronckew 1st November 2008 12:52 AM

i shall assume they got the date wrong then and they referred to the sabu version, as the sabu version was apparently 1940. , ruel's 1949 date of their post (and tom's spelling of thief) threw me off - there have been a number of versions ;)

while sabu carried the kampilan upside down for a while (edge up), when he was actually using it, cutting at the spider, and later when he cut it's suspension thread, he held it correctly, striking with the edge, not the back of the blade, i looked carefully :) he also carried it in his mouth edge out as he apparently didn't want to cut himself :rolleyes:

http://home.earthlink.net/~federicom...s/kampilan.jpg

the kampilan in the movie was similar to the above, which is edge down, and the angled fork of the grip up when held, tho some kampilans in modern repos have the angled fork also down, as below.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...f/377e25cf.jpg

(images from google image search)

migueldiaz 2nd November 2008 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew
http://home.earthlink.net/~federicom...s/kampilan.jpg
the kampilan in the movie was similar to the above, which is edge down, and the angled fork of the grip up when held, tho some kampilans in modern repos have the angled fork also down, as below.

thanks kronckew!

in the meantime that i haven't seen the movie yet, i was wondering what type it was they used. so thanks for posting the above image.

regards.

Bill M 14th January 2009 03:03 AM

Mongol (2007)

WOW! Swords, spears, shields. Wonderful movie!

David 14th January 2009 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by migueldiaz
I'd also highly recommend "Hero", an epic Chinese story.

The cinematography is superb, the sword fights are excellent, and the story that is full of twists and turns is very engaging.

Miguel. this was has been mentioned before as well, but thanks for posting all the photos.
I absolute LOVE this film, own it and have watched it many times. :)
Also mentioned before (but if you like Hero), by the same director Zhang Yimou, see House of Flying Daggers. I like this one even better. :)

ThePepperSkull 4th September 2009 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HangPC2
The Queen Of Langkasuka (2008)


One thing that came to mind immediately when I saw the trailer for this was how there were a lot of malay/indonesian Keris daggers in the beginning of the trailer, and at the end we see stuntman-turned-leading actor Dan Chupong wielding a Moro or Bruneian-type kris sword.

was that just me or was he just holding a big keris as opposed to a kris?

Here is a pic featuring Dan Chupong in the centre, holding the weapon in question with his outstretched arm:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AIe1UCH6zp...Langkasuka.jpg

kronckew 4th September 2009 09:24 PM

was intrigued by the movie trailer, so i found a copy of the dvd with english subtitles, just finished watching it. not only were there lots of keris, but there were in fact many moro kris, complete with kakatua grips, horses hoof grips, baca-baca and all. the blade the head army guy used had an ivory kakatua grip, and a distinct central ridge. there were also quite a number of dyak swords amoungst the pirates, and even one interesting axe. looked like copper breastplates, some bronze spears and quite a few flintlocks. they even worked in leonardo style hang gliders, a neat form of chain shot and even some ninjas. japanese armour, plate suits, and a few more items of interest here. even the dragon mouthed cannon... most of the edged weapons looked like the real thing, at least in the quick glimpses. i think they must have had acess to a museum or an old armoury somewhere.

all in all a quite good film. you do need to get it with your languages subtitles if you do not speak the language.

KuKulzA28 4th September 2009 10:33 PM

Definitely adding "The Queens of Lang-Kasuka" to my TO SEE list! :D

anyone heard of Seediq Bale? It is a Taiwanese film supposed to come out this fall - last I heard. It is about the Wushe Rebellion, the Atayal Seediq's last attempt to free themselves of Japanese rule... though the warriors carrying out the mgaga with their laraw must have know the futility of facing thousands of modern soldiers, planes, and artillery with their spears, guns, bows, and swords.

youtube trailer of Seediq Bale

ariel 5th September 2009 01:53 AM

Two recent Russian movies
"Taras Bulba", after Gogol's novel (kozaks vs the Poles)
"1612", Polish invasion of Russia.
Both have plenty of kilijes, shamshirs, karabelas and fights galore.
Russian jingoism double galore.
But both utterly enjoyable and supervbly made.

Gavin Nugent 5th September 2009 04:17 AM

I look forward to viewing them
 
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Originally Posted by ariel
Two recent Russian movies
"Taras Bulba", after Gogol's novel (kozaks vs the Poles)
"1612", Polish invasion of Russia.
Both have plenty of kilijes, shamshirs, karabelas and fights galore.
Russian jingoism double galore.
But both utterly enjoyable and supervbly made.

I look forward to viewing them Ariel, are they easily found?

I hope subtitled too...

Gav

ThePepperSkull 5th September 2009 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kronckew
was intrigued by the movie trailer, so i found a copy of the dvd with english subtitles, just finished watching it. not only were there lots of keris, but there were in fact many moro kris, complete with kakatua grips, horses hoof grips, baca-baca and all. the blade the head army guy used had an ivory kakatua grip, and a distinct central ridge. there were also quite a number of dyak swords amoungst the pirates, and even one interesting axe. looked like copper breastplates, some bronze spears and quite a few flintlocks. they even worked in leonardo style hang gliders, a neat form of chain shot and even some ninjas. japanese armour, plate suits, and a few more items of interest here. even the dragon mouthed cannon... most of the edged weapons looked like the real thing, at least in the quick glimpses. i think they must have had acess to a museum or an old armoury somewhere.

all in all a quite good film. you do need to get it with your languages subtitles if you do not speak the language.

I've actually found a DVDrip torrent of the film and am watching it now with some english subtitles I found separately. Dan Chupong and Tony Jaa (the latter is not in the movie) are great stuntmen.

And his kris with the kakatua pommel is very nice. It's great to see the detail of research they put into the costuming for this semi-fantasy film. The kakatua pommel DOES look a little off to me though. Again, this could be any number of reasons, but it is a thai production and a lot of cultures' weapons from neighboring regions have been borrowed for aesthetic purposes.

In any case, it's great to see a swashbuckling movie taking place somewhere that's not commonly shown in films. And being that I'm filipino with some Indonesian and moro ancrestry, it's great to see a fantasy film inspired by malay folklore for a change.

PLUS, you can never go wrong with pirate ninjas.

ariel 5th September 2009 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by freebooter
I look forward to viewing them Ariel, are they easily found?

I hope subtitled too...

Gav

http://www.russiandvd.com/store/prod...d=&genresubid=

http://www.ruskniga.com/sell.asp/Ite...ory/DVD/sc/194

I do not know what system do you have down under, but they can be played on the computer. You will have to learn Russian, though..... :-)

ThePepperSkull 3rd January 2010 09:07 AM

A closer look at Dan Chupong's Lord Jarang Character with his Kris Sundang:

http://i45.tinypic.com/33lc7pg.jpg

Very interesting. The sheath is lovely, and to me has a very Keris Sundang Melayu (as opposed to Mindanao/Moro kris) feel to it. The handle is nice, however the pommel seems little off. Is there any historical precedence for this specific kind of kakatua-like pommel, or should this just be chalked up to movie reproduction being a little less than historically accurate (which in this context wouldn't be a problem as this is a fantasy film anyhow. :shrug: )

I'm also trying to get a good screenshot of the blade, which from what I can tell has three waves.

Lee 3rd January 2010 04:40 PM

Tuareg in Egypt?!? Valley of the Kings
 
Yesterday I stumbled on to Valley of the Kings (1954) on TCM. Oddly (and the script writer clearly knew it, as a character questioned same being so far east), there was a 'Tuareg' band camped close to the Nile. Captured and challenged as a liar, the lead had to prove himself with takouba and shield: the shields actually looked convincingly genuine and a decent effort had been made on the sword props. Largely filmed on location, the movie is still enjoyable as a travelogue and the fight choreography was, at least, interesting.

kronckew 3rd January 2010 06:08 PM

a segment of the film with the aforementioned fight scene:
Linky to video
not bad...

KuKulzA28 3rd January 2010 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew
a segment of the film with the aforementioned fight scene:
Linky to video
not bad...

you're right, not bad at all... I was expecting cheesy and inaccurate... but you know what, the fight scene was enjoyable... not overly clean and not overly gory... it was somewhat realistic, though I got the impression that neither was a skilled fighter but that the local at least had some sword&shield experience (I know its a movie)... :shrug: I like how there was shield bashing, shield parrying, sword disarms... and cleverness on the archeologist's part, though pulling off the face-covering was kinda low... the local lost his will after that. But hey, the archeologist coulda thrown some elbows and knees...

Nathaniel 11th March 2010 06:29 AM

If you liked Suriyothai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeD3MhlUL-E

...this one is even better...Thai Trilogy about the great King Naresuan.

Part one...that came out in 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVbAKJ_N6Fo

Part two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwn3k...eature=related

Background
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Naresuan_%28film%29

Part III to come out this spring....can't wait to see it :)

Nathaniel 11th March 2010 02:36 PM

Plus, another movie I haven't heard anyone mention yet is the John Woo Film, Red Cliff...they have English subtitles for it now and it's in some theaters...they condensed from two parts into one from the Chinese version...it's a very good movie...here is the trailer :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_W7HPCX8x8

migueldiaz 11th March 2010 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathaniel
Plus, another movie I haven't heard anyone mention yet is the John Woo Film, Red Cliff...they have English subtitles for it now and it's in some theaters...they condensed from two parts into one from the Chinese version...it's a very good movie...here is the trailer :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_W7HPCX8x8

Nathaniel, thanks for the links! Nice :)

As for Red Cliff, just saw a flying white dove in the trailer. It's a John Woo movie all right. He's one of my favorite directors, too.

migueldiaz 24th July 2010 12:56 AM

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Robert Rodriguez has a new film, Machete. The trailer is here. The cast includes Robert De Niro, Steven Seagal, Michelle Rodriguez, Cheech Marin, Jessica Alba, et al.

If Quentin Tarentino is your cup of tea, then this movie is for you :)

Rick 24th July 2010 02:38 AM

WoW !! :eek:

Talk about Wet Work ...! :eek: :eek:

ariel 24th July 2010 02:59 AM

It premiers in..... Kazakhstan, of all places!!!
On August 19, 2010.
Borat must have exerted his influence in Hollywood.

Rick 24th July 2010 03:14 AM

How the devil did you find that out, Ariel ? :D




Mondo Cane ....... :cool:

VANDOO 25th July 2010 05:30 AM

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THIS MOVIE JOGED MY MEMORY OF A MACHETE THERION HAD. HE MADE TWO POSTS ON IT WHICH CAN BE FOUND IN THE ARCHIVES. POST #1 HUGE HORN HANDLED MACHETE THE SECOND POST WAS "MEXICAN MONSTER MACHETE" POST 1/30/2004. IN THAT POST HE SAID THE MACHETE HAD BEEN BOUGHT BY PRETTY DANGEROUS FILM CO. AND IT WAS TO BE USED IN A MOVIE CALLED "EL CHARRO" I WONDER IF THE FILM WAS EVER MADE?
HERE IS A PIC. OF THE WEAPON IT IS 34IN. LONG WITH A 27.5 IN. BLADE AND IS 4 AND A QUARTER INCH WIDE.

kronckew 25th July 2010 10:55 AM

a bit more decorative version, bit more movie compatible:

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...Mexican003.jpg

26" blade, acapulco style like the therion, made in oxaca

migueldiaz 25th July 2010 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO
THIS MOVIE JOGED MY MEMORY OF A MACHETE THERION HAD. HE MADE TWO POSTS ON IT WHICH CAN BE FOUND IN THE ARCHIVES. POST #1 HUGE HORN HANDLED MACHETE THE SECOND POST WAS "MEXICAN MONSTER MACHETE" POST 1/30/2004. IN THAT POST HE SAID THE MACHETE HAD BEEN BOUGHT BY PRETTY DANGEROUS FILM CO. AND IT WAS TO BE USED IN A MOVIE CALLED "EL CHARRO" I WONDER IF THE FILM WAS EVER MADE?
HERE IS A PIC. OF THE WEAPON IT IS 34IN. LONG WITH A 27.5 IN. BLADE AND IS 4 AND A QUARTER INCH WIDE.

vandoo, apparently a "charro" movie was made all right :)

David 26th July 2010 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick
Ahhh , if wishes were fishes ......... <sigh> :o

I'm still waiting for the Hollywood clowns to release Farewell To The King on DVD . :mad:

Hey Rick, i'm watching this right now on the THIS movie network on regular TV. Great flick with lots of mandaus. :)
Apparently a region 1 edition is available on amazon for about 12 bucks. :shrug:

ariel 26th July 2010 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick
How the devil did you find that out, Ariel ? :D




Mondo Cane ....... :cool:



Look here, just under the screen:
http://www.mixx.com/videos/13947358/...l_trailer_2010


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