Ethnographic Arms & Armour

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BANDOOK 5th January 2016 10:00 AM

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RAJPUTS WITH MUSKETS AND DHAL SHIELDS,RAJASTHAN,INDIA

BANDOOK 5th January 2016 10:01 AM

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[RAJAH OF KARURTALAH,PUNJAB-1857,INDIA

BANDOOK 5th January 2016 10:05 AM

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SIKHS WARRIORS/OFFICERS ,PUNJAB,INDIA

BANDOOK 5th January 2016 10:07 AM

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WAZARISTAN,NORTH WEST FRONTIER PROVENCE

BANDOOK 5th January 2016 10:12 AM

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COORG MAN WITH KATHI AND MUSKET,KARNATAKA,INDIA

Ren Ren 25th January 2016 10:44 PM

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Nias island, Indonesia

DaveA 26th January 2016 05:59 PM

More Nias warriors
 
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Great photo.

Now I wonder what they were doing with that huge stone!

Here are a couple of other Nias warrior pictures. I apologize if they are duplicates.

B/r,

Dave A.

Sajen 26th January 2016 08:38 PM

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Now I wonder what they were doing with that huge stone!

This stones are ceremonial, only the young men who are able to jump over such a stone can become a warrior. This ceremony is living still today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1TtMN8nXTM

Regards,
Detlef

Ren Ren 26th January 2016 09:31 PM

Thank you, Detlef!

Very interesting tradition!

Regards,
Serge

estcrh 27th January 2016 01:53 AM

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Photographs of Indian armor being worn are rare, I just found this example.

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Kishan Singhji, Rawat of Bijolia c1870s, wearing full protective armour, gold damascened 4-piece char aina cuirass body armour, secured with leather straps, ensuite damascened dastana arm guards with mail gauntlets, padded shoulder protective epaulettes, kula khud helmet with camail and sliding nasal, surmounted by horse hair spray and peacock feather finial, and jewelled necklaces with pendants and he carries the traditional Rajput tulwar sword.

BANDOOK 31st January 2016 02:49 AM

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A NAWAB SAHEB WITH HIS ATTENDANTS

Iain 31st January 2016 03:02 PM

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Tuaregs with a telek arm dagger clearly showing.

Iain 31st January 2016 03:03 PM

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Series with Tuaregs in Paris in 1909.

Ren Ren 31st January 2016 06:32 PM

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Of course, this is the director's staging of the photographer. But were very expressive photos.

TVV 2nd February 2016 12:56 AM

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A native soldier in Italian service in Italian Somaliland, so probably from the 1930s. Note the small billao behind the ammo pouches.

mahratt 2nd February 2016 05:12 AM

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Turkomans from Merv and Akhal-Teke.

mahratt 3rd February 2016 03:37 PM

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Turkmens (Tekins).

David 13th February 2016 05:03 AM

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I haven't gone through the entire thread to see if this was covered already, but this is identified as an Onna-Bugeish, a female warrior of the Japanese nobility.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onna-bugeisha

mahratt 14th February 2016 08:51 AM

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Circassian

estcrh 14th February 2016 11:00 AM

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Circassian

Pictures from a Circassian charity event, 1908.

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Circassian Cultural Charity Evening, Krasnodar, 18 January 1908.

Following devastating floods in the Kuban Region in Western Circassia in the winter of 1907/1908, the newly-formed Circassian Charity Society in Ekaterinodar [present-day Krasnodar], composed of well-off and intellectual local Circassians, organised a charity event on 18 January 1908 to raise money to help the victims of the floods and alleviate their ordeal.

The event was highly publicized and the famous Russian photographer Semen Afanasevich Shavlovsky [Семен Афанасьевич Шавловский] was engaged to document the proceedings in "living pictures". The event was well attended, and the organisers, including Prince Sultan Dovlet-Girey, managed to raise more than 2,000 roubles, a handsome sum at the time.

CharlesS 14th February 2016 01:14 PM

I think these pics are the first I've seen of Tartar style swords outside of museum photos. Great pics!!

rickystl 14th February 2016 08:06 PM

WONDERFUL Circassian photos with weapons!! Thank you for posting.
Rick

David R 15th February 2016 11:21 AM

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I haven't gone through the entire thread to see if this was covered already, but this is identified as an Onna-Bugeish, a female warrior of the Japanese nobility.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onna-bugeisha

A nice photo by Mr T. Enami 南 信國 Enami Nobukuni during the Meiji period using original armour as props and almost certainly a Geiko as the model. Mr Enami took loads of pictures during this period, all of them useful as reference but not to be taken as literal representations of the Samurai Era. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._Enami
More useful as a source for Samurai is the Beato collection mainly photographed during the Late Edo, Bakumatsu, and Meiji period. http://credo.library.umass.edu/view/collection/muph004

mahratt 15th February 2016 11:32 AM

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Japanese archers

estcrh 15th February 2016 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by David R
A nice photo by Mr T. Enami 南 信國 Enami Nobukuni during the Meiji period using original armour as props and almost certainly a Geiko as the model. Mr Enami took loads of pictures during this period, all of them useful as reference but not to be taken as literal representations of the Samurai Era. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._Enami
More useful as a source for Samurai is the Beato collection mainly photographed during the Late Edo, Bakumatsu, and Meiji period. http://credo.library.umass.edu/view/collection/muph004

David, try these links, along with the studio models there are actual samurai photographs.


https://www.pinterest.com/worldantiq...i-photographs/

https://www.pinterest.com/worldantiq...-meiji-period/

arsendaday 23rd February 2016 07:14 AM

Armenian Fedayeen
 
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Where: Armenian Highlands
When: late 1800's, early 1900's.
Who: Armenian Fedayeen (Freedom Fighters).
Weapons visible: Xanchals, rifles, shashkas.

Here are some photos of notorious Armenian Fedayeen and Armenian soldiers of Russia's Caucasus Front during WWI.

Kubur 9th March 2016 02:05 PM

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Dr. Kaempfer's Album of Persian Costumes and Animals In 1683 Dr. Kaempfer joined the Swedish embassy to visit the Shah of Persia

sirupate 10th March 2016 12:55 PM

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Gurkha in leave dress circa 1930

estcrh 11th March 2016 05:22 AM

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Ottoman guards late 1800s to early 1900s, a type of honor or consular guard (kavas or cawas) in the middle east. The last image is of Joseph P. Khabbaz from around 1940, wearing the traditional uniform of chief cawas/kawas, standing under the US Consulate General emblem atop of the gate leading to the embassy where he has worked for 20 yrs.

RobertGuy 11th March 2016 08:47 AM

Interesting to see in the last few posts that the swords are all worn or carried edge up. The suspension rings are sometimes aligned to the edge but often to the back as ''normal''. :shrug: I'm fairly new to this forum so apologies if I've picked up on something that has been discussed many times before.

Royston 12th March 2016 09:39 AM

I love the staffs, anyone got any information on them or does anyone have one ?
Roy

CharlesS 12th March 2016 09:52 AM

Interesting that the fellow to the far left in photo 4 is also carrying a Moroccan koummya.

Kubur 12th March 2016 10:16 AM

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I don't where this guy is coming from but I like the suma ramrod between the two pistols...

estcrh 12th March 2016 03:12 PM

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I don't where this guy is coming from but I like the suma ramrod between the two pistols...

Actually I recently made this image, it was cropped and edited from the original. Below is the original image and the end result.

https://archive.org/details/lescostumespopul00osma
Les costumes populaires de la Turquie en 1873. Ouvrage publié sous le patronage de la Commission impériale ottomane pour l'Exposition universelle de Vienne by Osman Hamdi Bey, 1842-1910; Launay, Marie de; Turkey. Commission impériale ottomane pour l'Exposition universelle de Vienne, 1873

estcrh 12th March 2016 04:06 PM

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A few more examples from the same book.

Kubur 12th March 2016 07:27 PM

You are amazing! Thank you for sharing all this!

estcrh 12th March 2016 09:15 PM

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You are amazing! Thank you for sharing all this!

When edited down you can see some interesting weapons etc. I do not know if these are staged with props or not but there are axe, a large qama, war hammer, clubs/mace, shields including the only photos showing the small Ottoman bucklers that I know of, The book unfortuately is in French but there are regional descriptions including zeibek.

Martin Lubojacky 12th March 2016 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RobertGuy
Interesting to see in the last few posts that the swords are all worn or carried edge up. The suspension rings are sometimes aligned to the edge but often to the back as ''normal''. :shrug: I'm fairly new to this forum so apologies if I've picked up on something that has been discussed many times before.

In the case of Ottoman shamsirs which I could see in natura - the suspension rings are so close each other, that the sabre always turn edge up when hung.

Martin Lubojacky 12th March 2016 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by estcrh
Ottoman guards late 1800s to early 1900s, a type of honor or consular guard (kavas or cawas) in the middle east. The last image is of Joseph P. Khabbaz from around 1940, wearing the traditional uniform of chief cawas/kawas, standing under the US Consulate General emblem atop of the gate leading to the embassy where he has worked for 20 yrs.

Estcrh, thank you very much for this photos. If it´s not secret - isn´t it consulate general in Istanbul ?

And as Kubur said - you are amaizing - thanks for the link to that costumes book !

Martin Lubojacky 12th March 2016 10:22 PM

Kaviroondo men
 
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Photo with bigger shields:
Wakuasi warriors from Kavirondo, Western Kenya, probably end of 19th century

Photo with smaller shields:
Also warriors from Kavirondo, Western Kenya, 1910

I do not know, if both groups are Nilotic Kavirondo (that time also used name "Wakuasi"), or not (there are living Nilotic and Bantu Kavirondo in the same region). In any case, the change of the spearheads style and the change of the size of the shields is interesting. As far as the spearheads, I red somewhere, that the era of very long and narrow spearheads began when the export of steel rods to Africa started.


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