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Salaams all...In support of the above post please see https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1899820795
Simply go to the page and select the required Illustration which is also loaded with script details...on page 13 ...Scottish Broadsword with Highland Dirk puts the reader in the middle of Swordmaker style, detail, makers names etc etc...Including some Andrea Ferara details. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
Basket Hilted Back Sword (Irish Hilt)
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Hi Guys
Just looking back at what I have and haven’t posted on this thread already and realised I missed the third of my Spiracle Pommel Swords, so here it is. Basket Hilted Back Sword (Irish Hilt) Date: Circa 1615-40 Nationality: British Overall Length: 108.6 cm 42 ¾” Blade length: 95.1 cm 37 5/8” Blade widest point: 2.8 cm 1 1/8” Hilt widest point: 11.3 cm 4 2/4” Inside grip length: 8.5 cm 3 3/8” Marks, etc.: Blade marked to both sides to a German, Solingen Swordsmith, “CLEMENS DINGER”. With regards to marks, I flipped the picture of the two makes under the hilt upside down and what I first thought looked like some kind of snake now looks more like two swans. Sometimes I think the more you look at sword marks the more confusing they get. Description English Basket Hilt circa 1615-40 English basket hilt sword (Irish Hilt) of early form, approx. Staghorn grip (latter replacement), steel guard of early type with the feature of a loop in the nut that attaches the guard to the Spherical pommel. The backsword blade is attributed to Clemens Dingen (II) recorded as working 1630-1710 and marked with CLEMENS DINGER and the Orb and cross on both sides. References: MAZANSKY (C.) BRITISH BASKET-HILTED SWORDS: A TYPOLOGY OF BASKET-TYPE SWORD HILTS pp67 MOWBRAY, Stuart C BRITISH MILITARY SWORDS VOLUME ONE 1600-1660 The English Civil Wars and the Birth of the British Standing Army pp122 OAKESHOTT, Ewart EUROPEAN WEAPONS AND ARMOUR From the Renaissance to the Industrial Revolution pp176-178 Cheers Cathey and Rex |
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there is a famous Swedish sword known which can be dated to 1627 with a similar standing swan of Clemens Dinger. I will check it later today. best, |
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swan mark and "signature Clemens Deinger" on rapier of Gustav II. Adolf from Sweden carried at battle of Dirschau Poland in 1627.
Clemens Dinger worked for from <1627 to the 1650s, the swan mark (different) was also used by his son Heinrich and used by his grandson Wilhem in 1698 onwards. |
Definitely a very nice blade! Apparently Clemens Dinger (the elder) worked in Solingen 1590-1620 and then listed (according to Bezdek p134) in Toledo from 1620-1677. There is another listed among the numerous members of this family as Clemens Dinger zu Wirsberg 1640-45 (not sure what the 'zu' means).
Whatever the case this blade of course probably aligns with earlier blades by the elder as the 1627 date was set as noted by the battle in Poland that year. I am curious, in the name stamp, why are the 'N's backward (as in the Cyrillic letter 'I') ? Is this some sort of artistic license or deliberately set trademark? In many cases other letters as in Spanish names, inscriptions have uncharacteristic 'E's and other substitutions in various cases. The swan stamp apparently survived in non 'Dinger' blades well through the 18th century as found in smallswords among other town marks and hallmarks (Dean, 1929). As always curious on other use of the swan markings. |
Clemens Dinger
Upon cornelistromp advice I purchased copies of Solinger Schwertschmiede Des 16. Und 17. Jahrhundersts Und Ihre Erxeugenisse by ALber Weyersberg and Stephan Kinsman’s European Makers or Edges Weapons, the Marks a Handbook for Museums and Collections. These books arrived the other day and I have found both publications quite useful.
Given the earlier period dating for the sword in question I would attribute the time line to Clemens Dinger worked for from 1627 to the 1650s. Cheers Cathey and Rex |
Cathey, interesting references you note that you obtained, can you suggest (via PM) where these might be obtained?
I am inclined to think, according to the referenced data I mentioned, that this blade was probably produced pre-1620, as Clemens Dinger apparently worked 1590-1620 in Germany, then to Toledo. The 1627 date is as I understand a date of provenance with his name rather than a working date reference. The earlier date seems to fit well with what seems a very early English hilt. Best regards, Jim |
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This is obviously not the case. if you could survive childhood and your teenage years you had a good chance of living to your 50s or your early 60s. I think there are two Clemens mixed together here. re Toldedo: Wendelin Boeheim refers to one Spanish? dated blade of Clemente dinger, CLEMETE DINGER ESPERADO MI SIGNAL PARAIO 1677, but questioned whether there really has worked a Dinger in Toledo. It was fashion to put in Solingen Spanish phrases and Toledo look a like marks in the blades. I expect the career of clemens Dinger as suggested by Boeheim, before 1627 to mid 50s to be very likely. best jasper |
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Naturally there seems a disparity in records, and there were a number of smiths in the Dinger family over generations. Without any further thought needed toward the latter Clemens Dinger attribution nor Toledo, my point was primarily that the making of this blade seems to me likely the earlier (pre 1627) and I do agree the period suggested. |
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. very best wishes, Jasper |
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H Jim,
I purchased both books from Ken Trotman, they are referenced as follows M099.WEYERSBERG (A.) SOLINGER SCHWERTSCHMIEDE : 1 : 20.00 M009.KINMAN (S.) EUROPEAN MAKERS OF EDGED WEA : 1 : 45.00 Prices in pounds. deliver was very quick. Cheers Cathey and Rex |
Scottish Basket hilted Broad Sword
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Type of Weapon: Scottish Basket hilted Broad Sword
Date: Circa 1730 (18th Century) Overall Length: 101.6 cm (40 inches) Blade length: 87 cm (34.3 inches) Blade widest point: 3.3 cm (1.3 inches) Hilt widest point: 11.5 cm Inside grip length: 9.6 cm Marks, etc.: Numerous marks to blade shoulder and in both fullers haven’t identified any of them as yet. Description Basket Hilt-Scottish-c1730-Broad Sword: - Thick steel basket Hilt has typical heart and circle decoration made of thick flat bars, no wrist guard. Blade length is pitted and has dark patina, numerous marks visible on blade shoulder and both fullers, probably German. The fuller runs almost the entire length of the blade. The blade may predate the hilt however they appear to have been together for very long time. Cheers Cathey and Rex |
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Description
Basket Hilt-Scottish-c1730-Broad Sword: - Thick steel basket Hilt has typical heart and circle decoration made of thick flat bars, no wrist guard. Blade length is pitted and has dark patina, numerous marks visible on blade shoulder and both fullers, probably German. The fuller runs almost the entire length of the blade. The blade may predate the hilt however they appear to have been together for very long time. Cheers Cathey and Rex[/QUOTE] @ Cathey, the blade seems indeed older, 150-200 year, out of the first half of the 16th century and maybe shortened. this type of mark I noticed more often at the ricasso of a so-called compound or complex hilt from the first half of the 16th century. Always on the left side of the ricasso (pommel up) of a double fullered blade. best, |
Cathey, thank you so much for the source for those titles, Trotman is an excellent seller.
Jasper, nice catch on that blade! Best regards, Jim |
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the blade seems indeed older, 150-200 year, out of the first half of the 16th century and maybe shortened. this type of mark I noticed more often at the ricasso of a so-called compound or complex hilt from the first half of the 16th century. Always on the left side of the ricasso (pommel up) of a double fullered blade. best,[/QUOTE] Hi Jasper and Cathy, the marks on the blade look like they are from the same maker, and yes the blade is from the first half of the 16th century , from south German Or North Italian origin. The blade in the basket hilt is a similar blade and looks shortened. Or it could be a blade from the same maker forged in different dimensions to begin with. The blade of the complex hilt measures 4,5 CM at the cross guard and is 106,5 CM long. I cant measure the blade on the basket hilt but I think 3,5 would be close. Also the fullers on the one and a half sword are 7 mm wide. @ Jasper , you'r first picture is from that Italian book, but were did you find the picture of the second sword ? kind regards Ulfberth |
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Hi Jasper and Ulfberth
Thanks for the example of what does appear to be the same mark on the ricasso, pity we cannot establish who the mark belonged to. I am still trying to decide what the marks lower down on the blade itself might be. The middle one looks almost like a scimitar sword, however I think the longer I stare at it the less I know what is. Cheers Cathey and Rex |
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Of the marks on the ricasso the one in the mid looks exactly the same, the one above and below are different or put on from a different angle, horizontal vs upright. Of the marks on the half of the blade the one in de mid looks like yours, however I can not identify for sure the mark on your blade. What I am sure of is that the blade in the basket hilt is not shortened, because it is also 1,2 CM more narrow at the ricasso. I believe that blade was made at this dimensions from the beginning and these dimensions are correct for a basket hilt : Blade length: 87 cm Blade widest point: 3.3 cm One and a half hand sword Blade length: 106 cm Blade widest point: 4.5 cm kind regards Ulfberth |
BASKET HILT Broad Sword c1740, earlier blade
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This is actually one of the first Basket hilts I purchased back in 1996 in Adelaide. BASKET HILT Broad Sword Date: Hilt Circa 1740 (18th Century), Blade earlier Nationality: SCOTTISH Overall Length: 36 ½” 92.9 cm Blade length: 31 1/16” 79 cm Blade widest point: 1 ½” 3.2 cm Hilt widest point: 5” 12.7 cm Inside grip length: 4 ¼” 10.8 cm Marks, etc.: 2 short fullers containing remnants of inscription, only the letters I O H A N T can be read with any certainty. Blade is pitted and has dark patina, possibly predates hilt. It has been suggested that the name on the blade is Johanus Cole, but with so few letters to go on I am unconvinced at this stage. Description BASKET HILT Scottish Broad Sword. The hilt guards are attached to a very prominent and board flat ring under the pommel, which is associated. The space between the rear and additional rear-guards has a very short transverse linking cross-bar, one third of the way up from the blade-end of the hilt. The margins of the plates and shields are scalloped to follow the outline of the piercing. These consist of large coarsely shaped hearts and circles, which give an open appearance to the shield and plates. This hilt has an oval ring on the inside of the hilt. The blade has 2 short fullers containing remnants of inscription, only the letters I O H A N T can be read with any certainty, followed by an anchor mark. Blade is pitted and has dark patina and a number of sharp contact cuts to its edge. I would suggest that the blade definitely predates the hilt. General Remarks The same hilt features on a sword in the National Museum of Scotland Edinburgh LA 140 References: CAMPBELL.A. Scottish Swords from the Battlefield at Culloden. pp 54-55 CURTIS, T The Lyle Official Arms and Armour Review 1976 Pp21 MAZANSKY (C.) BRITISH BASKET-HILTED SWORDS: A TYPOLOGY OF BASKET-TYPE SWORD HILTS pp126 F20. MOORE, W. Weapons of the American Revolution and Accoutrements. Pp 146, plate E33. OAKESHOTT, E. European Weapons and Armour. (See Claymore) pp 175-182. Cheers Cathey and Rex |
British Basket Hilt Cavalry Backsword c1740-55
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British Basket Hilt Cavalry Backsword c1740-55
Date: Circa 1740-1755 (18th Century) Overall Length: 101.5 cm (40 inches) Blade length: 85.6 cm (33.7 inches) Blade widest point: 3.296 cm (1.3 inches) Hilt widest point: Inside grip length: Marks, etc. Blade has mark on both sides and one deep fuller 61cm 24” long. There is a number painted on the hilt under the buff liner, probably an old museum reference, which appears to be 1831.over 2RS. Description Iron hilt consists of a bun pommel with a rather tall cylindrical tang-button, and a basket of more or less conventional Highland type, except that it lacks the addition of rear-guards, and the entire Saltire bars on the forward corner of each shield towards the pommel combine to form a rounded arch. The rear quillon does not project beyond the perimeter of the basket. The bars, which are of flattened rectangular section, are plain and unpierced. The grip is covered in black rayskin, wire binding is missing but brass Turks heads remain. There is a number painted on the hilt under the buff liner, probably an old museum reference, which appears to be 1831.over 2RS. Backsword blade with dark patina has mark on both sides and one deep fuller ¾ length. General Remarks Swords of this type were purchased by the colonels of British cavalry regiments, both horse and dragoons, for the use of their men. Comparable weapons are illustrated in the paintings of British heavy cavalry by David Morier, 1751 at Windsor Castle. References: Culloden The Swords and the Sorrows The National Trust for Scotland catalogue. Plate 1:51, pp 48. Mazansky – Cyrill British basket Hilted Swords Pp95, Fig Fla (C1750) Cheers Cathey and Rex |
Hi Cathey,
Sure am glad to see you back! as I would like to see this thread continue. These amazing swords are wonderful to see here as they offer so much opportunity to learn more on them. This latest addition of a mid 18th century dragoon sword is a great example, and with the mysterious oval aperture in the hilt which has been the subject of considerable debate. I am inclined to agree with A. Darling in its most probable purpose to hold reins while handling the pistol in the other hand . As always, I am drawn to the blades and markings, and this backsword has the inlaid brass (latten) anchor, but curiously situated almost off center near the fuller. As noted in the previous example (post #179) the anchor is seen situated at the terminus of fullers (very much in earlier Spanish styles adopted in Solingen in 17th century). Clearly that offers compelling suggestion the blade is from that century . In the case of this sword, I am wondering if perhaps this is a backsword blade from a 'mortuary' type sword of mid 17th c. and possibly from the Hounslow factory. It is of course pure speculation at this point, but these German smiths used markings of their Solingen counterparts and often inlaid in latten, most notably the 'running wolf'. Is it possible this blade could be of such provenance? Its curious position and placement seem to indicate such possibility, however it is known that German blades were brought in later at the turn of the century. Perhaps then this 'anchored' blade could be of that origin? |
Please see http://www.oldswords.com/articles/Th...words-v1i4.pdf gfor a fine article on the weapon.
Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
On the blade of Cathey's latest baskethilt post: take a look at the blade of her S hilt brass basket on page 1 of this thread. Same blade. I have personally seen multiple examples of this blade type in the brass S hilts of the mid 1700s, and as I recall, Neumann shows one as well. That being said, my bet is that they are German imports of the 1700s.
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BASKET-HILT c1745 British Dragoons
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HI Guys, another British basket
BASKET-HILT c1745 British Dragoons Overall Length: 117 cm, (46.1 inches) Blade length: 101.5 cm, (40 inches) Back blade from hilt for 58cm Blade widest point: 3.128 cm (1.2 inches) Marks, etc: Remnants of etched pattern inlaid with gold on both sides. Scottish thistle and sun design still evident Description BASKET-HILT British Dragoon Guards Troopers Sword pattern 1745. Unusually Large Basket hilt with typical heart design and English style Bun Pommel. Wide central fuller full length of blade, slight remnants of etched pattern inlaid with gold on both sides. Scottish thistle and sun design still evident. Blade is 101.5 cm, back blade from hilt for 58cm. Dragoons were originally intended to be used as mounted infantry. In the early 18th century, cavalry was divided into 2 categories - regts of horse and regts of dragoons. The regts of horse were used in the traditional role of heavy cavalry - i.e. shock action. Dragoons were used mainly for reconnaissance - and usually fought dismounted in battle. References: BEZDEK, Richard H. SWORDS AND SWORD MAKERS OF ENGLAND AND SCOTLAND pp 282 MAZANSKY (C.) British Basket-Hilted Swords: A Typology Of Basket-Type Sword Hilts. Pp97 Fig Fle & 125, Fig F17c Scottish Sword & Shield Catalogue September 1994 Pp 6 No 8. Wallis & Wallis Connoisseur Collectors Auction Spring 1996 15/5/96 Lot 126. Wallis & Wallis Connoisseur Collectors Auction Spring 1998 7/10/99 Lot 82. Wallis & Wallis Connoisseur Collectors Auction 5/5/04 Lot 52 WILKINSON LATHAM, John, SWORDS IN COLOUR Plate 29. Cheers Cathey and Rex |
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so then my thought in #181 might be right? |
Coming to the party late, I am thankful to you folks for this thread. I didn't know there was an Irish hilt! Now that I have some slight idea of that, I am confused on the Scottish. I know Cathy you mentioned that British and Scottish hilts are hard to distinguish, so would it then be in the pommel buns that would be the decider between Scottish and British styles?
BTW - I have always been interested in Scottish basket hilts, especially during the 18th century. One day when I grow up, I'll own one.......... :o |
Scottish or English
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Sadly their is not absolute way to be certain about the origin of many basket hilts by pommel alone. However, this is a good start. Generally the typical bun pommel will indicate an English sword etc. The trap is that swords get damaged over time and repaired locally and the blacksmith may not be to particular about which pommel they put back on a sword being repaired etc. I have found MAZANSKY (C.) BRITISH BASKET-HILTED SWORDS: A TYPOLOGY OF BASKET-TYPE SWORD HILTS a good help when it comes to referencing pommel types for age and nationality. Cheers Cathey and Rex |
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Here's my next basket.
English, ca. 1620 32 1/2" de blade, with short central fuller. Excavated condition, but retains part of the grip and both brass wire Turk's head knots. The knucklebows are screwed to the pommel. Interestingly, this basket has the feature of a screw-on capstan. Most hilts of this basic pattern are dated in the late 1500s, but I date this one to the 1620s because of the total lack of the long quillions that characterize earlier examples. An interesting feature of this sword (and something that I didn't think to photograph!) is what looks like langets at the blade shoulder. However, what appears to be langets are actually a repair. This blade apparently broke right where the tang meets the shoulder. The repair was effected by making a tang that has ears protruding on either side of the blade. The blade was inserted between the ears and the whole welded back together. I'll be able to access my collection again in a few weeks, and will try to remember to photograph the repair. |
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Another one.
English? Scottish? Probably dates 1680 - 1720 or so. 31 1/2" de blade with two narrow fullers extending about 8" down the blade. No stamps or inscriptions are present. Hilt of fairly typical form for the late 1600s with plain unpierced panels with some simple filed/engraved lines. The grip appears to be original. An interesting feature of this sword is that rivets have been used to reinforce the hammer welds (see last photo). However, there's also an additional hole by the blade, and what is this hole for??? Securing the liner? This is one of the lightest basket hilted swords I have seen. The hilt is composed of rather thin elements, and the weight of the sword is about 1.8 pounds. |
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The first of my Mortuary swords. This one may not even qualify as a basket or half basket (not enough protective bars making up the hilt), but since Mazansky covers Morts in his book, this sword is not inappropriate for this thread!
Mid 1600s in date, with a 32 3/4" de blade inscribed on one side "+ SOLIDEO +" and the other side "+ GLORIA +". What makes this sword of interest is that it has a thumbring, a feature not found commonly on English swords. The hilt decoration is composed of four grotesque faces, and foliage with some sparse piercings. The grip is one of my restorations, and the diagonal lines seen in places on the blade are artifacts of where some idiot in the past used an angle grinder on it. |
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English, early 1700s.
30" se straight blade with a single back fuller, stamped on both sides with a running fox and SH. This is apparently a grenadier's baskethilt of the 23rd Regiment: the Royal Welsh Fusileers. The grip is of embossed brass, each side with a crown, POW feathers, the motto "ICH DIEN", and a Hanoverian horse. Neumann shows this same grip design on an S hilted hanger (sword 26S), which is dated to about 1745. I think that the sword shown here is a pattern used ca 1700 by the 23rd. The blade is not shortened, and the fuller ends about 7" from the blade tip. Mazansky shows several hilts of this type in his book. |
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Salaams E.B. Erickson The running fox with SH beautifully illustrated on the blades is of course from the Wood Street, Shotley Bridge Factory !! now refurbished as a fine house. What is not that well known is that the company also acquired the local Inn closeby... The Crown and Crossed Swords. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. :shrug: |
:shrug: My deliberate mistake above... SH stands for the mark of Samuel Harvey....of which there were 3; Father Son and Grandson...all involved in sword manufacture based in Birmingham. Does anyone know which ones used the SH blademark and which used the H only mark ?...all inside the body of the Running Fox.
Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi |
#191 the mortuary sword
Hi Eljay,
Great collection of baskets and I particularly like #191 the mortuary sword. Like you I have never seen one with a thumb ring before Cheers Cathey and Rex |
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Interesting indeed as I also never recall seeing a thumb ring on a 'mortuary' type hilt. It seems that a good number of these swords were fabricated in the Hounslow factory, which was of course largely comprised of German makers brought into England earlier under the auspices of the King. Is it possible that this characteristically European , especially German, feature may have been incorporated into this and perhaps a number of these hilts recalling those traditions? |
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The whole Hounslow/Shotley Bridge/ Samuel Harvey circumstances in British swords have been a virtual conundrum which most collectors have found daunting at best. The Shotley Bridge factory actually evolved around 1687 with Hermann Mohll and some of the makers of the Hounslow enterprise of earlier in the century comprised of German makers brought in for this purpose. They were closed down c. 1703 then reopened c. 1716 (if I recall correctly) . It seems a good number of swords from earlier blades, probably Hounslow, did use the 'Passau wolf' (running wolf), however it has been suggested that earlier Shotley Bridge weapons also used this. The 'Samuel Harvey' dynasty began in England with Samuel Harvey Sr. (b. 1698). His production was at 74 High Street, and continued until his death in 1778. His son Samuel Harvey Jr. was with him in business , and moved to 4 Cannon Street in 1789. His son Samuel Harvey III was with him in business. Jr. died in 1795, and in turn his son took over until his death in 1810. Effectively, the Harveys made swords from c. 1716 until 1810. It is known that the mid 18th century hangers and some other of their blades were marked with a running 'fox'. These are apparently a nod to the running wolf of the Passau/Solingen fame (clearly a fox with its notably plumed tail) and typically had the initials S H in the body. There seem to be variations, and in some cases only the H is seen, however it is unclear whether in these case the missing letters are simply worn away or indeed never placed there). I have seen one example of the Passau type wolf with an H, and one suggestion it might have been a Hounslow sword, but that idea was discounted and the idea of it being a Harvey variant suggested....but since it is the rough chiseled 'wolf' character, not the 'fox', it seems unlikely. Many of the Harvey blades are simply stamped with the name S Harvey, no fox, and near the hilt, not on the blade center. Others are seen with HARVEY alone. There has been no evidence I am aware of that any particular variation of the fox and initials, or the stamped name were favored or used distinctively by any one of the Harvey men. It does seem the running fox with the SH initials are more consistant on the hangers of mid 18th century however. That's the best I can figure so far, and I wanted to thank you for bringing up this interesting element concerning these blades and makers which as seen do occasionally occur in the blades of these swords. All the best, Jim |
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Salaams Jim, That is a great assist on Samuel Harvey...I have a sword with one collector associate with the HAR stacked above VEY in a sort of block stamp.. Thank you very much for your help on this and looking around I note how difficult the conundrum on the Harveys actually is. Much appreciated ! Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
Jim,
Thanks for the comments on the Harvey clan - very helpful. Cathey/Ibrahim, Regarding thumbrings on Mortuary swords, I was unaware of their existence until about 7 years ago, when one showed up on an auction site. The one I own came up for sale shortly thereafter, and I've been on the lookout for others ever since then. Mazansky does have around 6 Morts shown in his book that have thumbrings, but as I recall he doesn't always mention the presence of a thumbring in the descriptions. Examine the photos and you'll find them. |
Regulation “Howard” Cavalry Basket hilt c1748-65
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Overall Length: 99 cm (39 inches) Blade length: 84 cm (33.1 inches) Blade widest point: 4cm (1.6 inches) Hilt widest point: 13 cm Inside grip length: 8.4 cm Description Troopers version of the Howard hilt cavalry sword. Typical flattened circular pommel, leather wire bound, good condition grip with steel basket guard of squared lattice panels, large trailing rein loop oval panel. One central fuller 17cm long which starts 4 ½ cm down from hilt. Howard 3rd dragoon Guards commissioned from 1748-1765. Good condition for age, some pitting. The term Howard hilt comes from the connection based on plate 43 in John Wallace’s Scottish Swords and Dirks. Wallace connected the pattern with Howard based on a similar sword in a portrait of General Sir Charles Howard in the uniform of the 3rd Dragoon Guards. References: MAZANSKY (C.) British Basket-Hilted Swords: A Typology Of Basket-Type Sword Hilts. Pp184. 186 & 232 NEUMANN, George G. SWORDS AND BLADES OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION pp71, plate 29.S SOUTWICK, Leslie, The Price Guide to Antique Edged Weapons Pp 143 No 389. Wallace, John Scottish Swords and Dirks an illustrated Guide to Scottish Weapons plate 43. Wallace John Scottish Swords and Dirks Plate 43. WALLIS & WALLIS Connoisseur Collectors Sale Spring 1996 1/5/96 Lot 133. Weller & Dufty Sale 11409 lot 1287 (shows Scabbard) pp33 Cheers Cathey and Rex |
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