…and that cute little kerfuffled ear… :D

That looks like its just brushed by Mike Tyson {or Robert!}...to me. :D

spiral

Not New Jersey , But relevant to those in the Uk... & probably all other so called "civilised" countries given time..

Perhaps The beginning of the end for miss labelling Ivory dealers & auction houses in the UK..

Seems like the police are doing the radioactive isotope check.

spiral

link

Looks like the value, and price, of ivory just increased again.

Or just decreased in the UK unless clearly pre. 1947... Id guess clearly pre. 1947 as you say will become more valuable!

Who wants a collection of stuff that brings police through your front door? Only those who are fools or think {or actualy may be.} above the law.

Some UK dealers & collectors{{Most are members of this forum.} Even if they don't declare such stuff here.} have apparently cleared out anything not definitely pre that date over the last few months.

Why take the risk... being the consensus.

Times they are a changing... {as someone said 40 or 50 years ago in a little ditty...}

Spiral

A couple of points:-

You can still import ivory into New Jersey provided you have shot the elephant yourself.

The UK Auctioneers subject to this prosecution have decided selling ivory is too risky and so now will not sell any at all.

Regards
Richard

Indeed the rich have privilege's everywhere... ;) Obamas friend was given a licence import a black rhino tusk earlier in the year.

The UK Auctioneer is an amusing chap, Hes gone from claiming it was a one off mistake & he was a scapegoat for apparently not naming the seller?
{Shades of Omerta!}To now proclaiming he will now "lead the way" in ending the Ivory trade in UK auctions!

Apparently 16 other London dealers are awaiting notice of prosecution.

spiral

Moderator's Comment
 

Let's please leave the quasi-political/socio-political commentary at the door.

Andrew
Vikingsword Staff

Sure thing Andrew, I Certainly comprehend my Obama comment, as not necessary to say. {Although I had said it without thinking.}

Was the first part re. wealth acceptable? It seemed relevant? After all to fly to Africa, shoot a tusker, have the tusks removed & flown back to New Jersey , with the accompanying safari ,plane, hotel & "legal" paperwork fees probably come to over $150.000 minimum?

If not I apologise for that as well & it wont happen again.

spiral

It was the Obama comment, Jonathan. Socio-economic comments are fine. ;)

Marketing 101:-

if we make something desirable, the price will increase

nothing is as desirable as that which is socially unacceptable, even though that desirability may be found in only a segment of a population

That's good then... It seemed relevant to me!

cheers!

spiral

Or just decreased in the UK unless clearly pre. 1947... Id guess clearly pre. 1947 as you say will become more valuable!

Who wants a collection of stuff that brings police through your front door? Only those who are fools or think {or actually may be.} above the law.

spiral

Very good statement!

Interestingly enough, David Reinke, the hunter in question, is a major supporter of the Republican politics, so your reference to Obama wasn't really relevant at all. Let's keep politics off this site, thanks. :)
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...-rhino-trophy/

Your quite correct....My error.

Guess it was just his wealth , not his political affiliation..

But my "relevant" comment to Andrew was re. finances not Obama....;)

Perhaps you missed my post proceeding that one?

linky

spiral

California calling? Further ivory & Rhino horn laws proposed in the sunshine state.

It seems Californian legislature may be further tightening up their ivory laws, as they believe 90% percent of antiques for sale our modern fakes.

"The bill introduced Wednesday by Assembly Speaker Toni G. Atkins and Senator Ricardo Lara does away with that exemption and prohibits “purchasing, selling, offering for sale, possessing with intent to sell, or importing with intent to sell elephant ivory or rhinoceros horn, except as specified under very limited educational and scientific circumstances.”

"Antiques containing 5 percent ivory or less and antique musical instruments containing 20 percent ivory or less -- usually vintage pianos -- will also be exempt.

Personally As I've said before I see 1947 as a good cut of year myself & more or less provable if necessary.