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Originally Posted by erlikhan

So, he is Turkish father and perhaps christian for her mother.would you get proud with the situation and prefer to accept his mother as Greek originated, depends on you ;) :D

I dont prefer anything. History has been written without us. But I love some turkish inventions like halva (persian actually) and hammam (ancient greek > roman > byzantine).
:p

As far as I remember, when Turcs arrived to the seashore they hired greeks and arabs to make a fleet. It took 200-300 years to do it, but finally they had a Barbarossa and a Piri Reis. Where do you think they found the tactics and the maps? From heaven or from Ptolemeus?

Took 300 years? Funny. Turkish pirate Chaka Reis occupied Izmir from byzantines in 1090, just 19 years after Turks kicked byzance in Malazgirt war and entered eastern Anatolia. Before conquering Trakya and Istanbul, Turkish pirates were plundering all waters of Byzance in 14th century . Many provinces and towns carry their names.They learned from Arabian and Italians but not from Greeks, who were on the peak of poorness and misery in that age. They had become a soccer ball between pope,crusaders and Turks,having no naval force at all.Byzance was the one to hire Genoans and Venetians to use against Turks in 15th century. And I like today's Greeks, flattering with ancient people of 2000-2500 years ago. How many percent of your blood is same with them you think?0.1? Before Greece got independent in 1821, majority of northern Greece were Turks and Macedonians, and even villages around Athens were densily talking Albanian , and hundreds of thousands of Karamanians,mostly orthodox christian Turks added to them after 1923 :) . And continuous dense cultural assimilation backed by ancient Greece loving western Europe to form a uniform nation and tool to use against Turkey,Russia,Germany, whoever needed. Anyway, an unrelated topic opened by another member must not be the proper place to discuss these. We must show respect.point.

That's right !
two posts deleted and the thread locked for the time being . :mad:

Yannis and erlikhan:

I strongly suggest you two exercise restraint from now on if you wish to continue posting on these fora.

This forum software has an "ignore" function which you should explore.

Andrew