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Rick 19th May 2008 04:16 PM

Interesting, the 'slot' on boney's belly; a little too deep to be a fold of fat . :confused:

I have seen an ivory togo of a little boy in nearly the same pose .
I think we've all seen this particular example at some point or other; I just can't find a picture of the little fella . :shrug:

A. G. Maisey 19th May 2008 11:07 PM

Yeah, you're right Rick. Its not a fat fold, its got another ridge inside it, and it curls up a bit at the ends. My guess is that it refers to some feature of the original nasty. Off the top of my head I don't know what this might be, but I'll have a look in a couple of books and see if I can find some character whose belly opens up. Probably one there somewhere.

Rick 6th June 2008 06:20 PM

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Here's another fellow for identification . :confused:
What is he holding ?
There is a bit of reflective glass set in his headress .

Polychrome over wood; humble work but I like it . :)

lemmythesmith 6th June 2008 07:49 PM

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Hi Rick, this guy is holding a similar thing, he's down as Barong or a temple guardian.....looks like it's a torch he's got hold of.

Rick 6th June 2008 09:22 PM

True they both hold similar objects but the aspect of each figure is very different .
The Togo seems to show downcast eyes and a serene appearance as opposed to the aggresive stance and bared fangs of the statue; this is a aspect often given the 'Good Guys' in the Wayang .
I don't think this fellow is a demon . :confused:

ganjawulung 6th June 2008 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lemmythesmith
Hi Rick, this guy is holding a similar thing, he's down as Barong or a temple guardian.....looks like it's a torch he's got hold of.

This fellow is holding a "gada" (pls spell it - gaw-daw) or "godo". Bima usually used a "gada" as his weapon - beside his deadly "kuku pancanaka" or his long nail. But not every fellow with gada is Bima. Sometimes, demi-god, demi-ape Hanuman, Hanila, Hanggada and also Sugriwa, Subali sometimes use gada as their weapon...

Some "gate guardian" statues, also wears gada...

Marcokeris 9th June 2008 12:11 PM

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Rick also i agree with Ganjawulung. I think your hits is Bima with his club used to crash enemy's head.
Usually Bima is a rather angry pankanaka (opposite of his brother Arjuna that is a kind gentleman loved by women)
I put another Bima hit with the same weapon.

Battara 9th June 2008 10:48 PM

.....Although Bima was loved by a demon.........and bore a demon son in Mahabharata :eek:

Rick 9th June 2008 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcokeris
Rick also i agree with Ganjawulung. I think your hits is Bima with his club used to crash enemy's head.
Usually Bima is a rather angry pankanaka (opposite of his brother Arjuna that is a kind gentleman loved by women)
I put another Bima hit with the same weapon.

There is a resemblance but I'm still intrigued by the fangless, peaceful aspect of the togo that I have submitted .
So alike, yet so different . :shrug:

I'm also fascinated by these Bali hilts that are polychrome over some kind of gesso-like material applied to carved wood .

Marcokris shows another example of this type of hilt in the Ligan thread .

Rick

ganjawulung 14th June 2008 05:24 AM

LEAK OR RANGDA?
 
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Are these a couple of leak? Rangda?

lemmythesmith 14th June 2008 03:22 PM

Hi Ganja, the togog on the left looks like Rangda, holding the corpse of a child :eek: The one on the right looks like it could be Nawa Sari-is he holding a sheaf of rice behind his head?

Marcokeris 14th June 2008 04:13 PM

Two very nice hits indeed. I'm agree with Lennythesmith : one is Navasari, the other is Rangda (or perhaps Rangda's sister). Ganjawulung are the hits from Madura?

Jussi M. 14th June 2008 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcokeris
Rick also I agree with Ganjawulung. I think your hits is Bima with his club used to crash enemy's head.
Usually Bima is a rather angry pankanaka (opposite of his brother Arjuna that is a kind gentleman loved by women)
I put another Bima hit with the same weapon.

I have no clue of this "Gentleman" Bima but the position he is at strikes me strongly as like he indeed is ready to whack somebody with a serious intent :eek:

Rick 14th June 2008 04:48 PM

Marco, Ganja, stunning examples .
I drool . ;) :D

Marcokeris 14th June 2008 09:33 PM

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Another Rangda with stolen baby. This hit material is rare. It is a kind of coral like Akar Bahar but is not black but yellow (uli emas).
It's strange that while there are many Rangda hits in Bali, I never saw a hit with the figure of Barong!

lemmythesmith 14th June 2008 10:24 PM

Hi Marco, that Rangda is AWESOME :D The coral looks similar to a dark Baltic amber! Any more?? ;)

David 15th June 2008 01:07 AM

My goodness! Fascinating material on that hilt Marco. I love it! :)

David 15th June 2008 01:08 AM

oh...the ivory one is stunning as well... ;) :)

ganjawulung 15th June 2008 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcokeris
Two very nice hits indeed. I'm agree with Lennythesmith : one is Navasari, the other is Rangda (or perhaps Rangda's sister). Ganjawulung are the hits from Madura?

No Marco, it is from Bali. Wooden hilt material. And this other one below, is made of "balung" (bone). Another motive of Ganesha. I bought it from a "mranggi" (sheath maker) in Batuan, near Ubud, Gianyar...

Marcokeris 15th June 2008 02:45 PM

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A ganesh hit like Ganja hit. Another coral hit ( akar bahar)


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