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Miguel 26th June 2017 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by estcrh
Miguel......"early tourist kukri (1920-40) Northern India"

Yes everything seems to point to that fact.

Miguel 26th June 2017 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde
Eric, did you see the peacocks??
Seldom something is written about the decoration, when it is hard to see what is shown, but not many seem to be interested in the 'hidden messages'.
I have often been wondering why?
Jens

Hello Jens, I think you may have answered your own question.
Miguel

Jens Nordlunde 27th June 2017 09:59 PM

I find the dagger with the blue background shown in post 19 interesting, as I think it is a former 17th century karar from south India, changed into a dagger in the 19th century, when the south Indian armouries was sacked, and more tourist pieces were needed.
The decoration on the blade is important, but one can not see the fullers clearly from the pictures. I do, however, think that the fullers may show this change if they can be examined.

estcrh 28th June 2017 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde
Eric, did you see the peacocks??
Seldom something is written about the decoration, when it is hard to see what is shown, but not many seem to be interested in the 'hidden messages'.
I have often been wondering why?
Jens

Jens, you have a trained eye from many years of looking at good examples. Ever since I read what you have had to say about unseen (to most people) images I have been looking closer but often I can not see what is there until someone points it out.

Jens Nordlunde 28th June 2017 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by estcrh
Jens, you have a trained eye from many years of looking at good examples. Ever since I read what you have had to say about unseen (to most people) images I have been looking closer but often I can not see what is there until someone points it out.

Dont worry. It takes quite some time, and a lot of studying - but in the end...

Silver John 29th June 2017 02:39 PM

Hello Jens,

I'd like to ask, do you see the peacocks in the gilt sections, or in the negative of the bare steel? Or both?

I was recently looking at peacock imagery on some kukris, so perhaps I'm just seeing them everywhere, but I can see two small ones in the gilt and two large peacocks in the negative.

Are there any threads, or reference materials on the Peacock imagery? I'd like to learn more on the topic.

Regards

Jens Nordlunde 29th June 2017 03:16 PM

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Hmm, I only see two peacocks, shown in the gold decoration.
They are easier to see on the katar attached.
Have a look at the katar and the dagger. Do you see why I think the dagger originally was a katar?
Btw on the katar you can see four peacocks, two on the blade and two on the hand guard.

Silver John 29th June 2017 03:46 PM

Unbelievably I didn't spot those peacocks!

I'll have to see if my very basic photoshop skills will allow me to point out what I see. Though I strongly suspect what I am seeing will be more like a case of faces in the clouds.

Jens Nordlunde 29th June 2017 04:59 PM

Like Eric writes in post 33. He has never seen this kind of dagger with a wootz blade. Neither have I as I can remember.
This is an old minupilated kater blade, likely done end of 18th century or early 19th century.

spiritualwarrior1978 3rd July 2017 06:43 PM

That is anice kukri, I have seen one of those somewhere before. Like someone said previously if you ever get bored...... it would match a few of my pesh kabz/chooses with mother of pearl inlay :)


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