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Montino Bourbon 9th February 2006 12:48 AM

My birthday gift...
 
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To myself!

It was on hold; when the hold disappeared, right on my birthday, I knew that 'it is written' that I was the new owner.

Talk about intense! It's the kind of thing that you can feel the vibration. This is definitely a pusaka.

Oh, and don't ask how old I turned; let's just say that if you know the Beatle's 'Sergeant Pepper' you already know.

Montino Bourbon 9th February 2006 12:50 AM

Shoot! I must have done something wrong...
 
tell me if you can see the pic's, please.

Rick 9th February 2006 02:22 AM

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Hi Montino , I can see them although it's a strange format to post pictures . Mostly we use the jpg format and upload them to the site .

Let me introduce you to your pusaka's brother .. ;) :D

Montino Bourbon 9th February 2006 02:32 PM

better pictures
 
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Here's jpegs... and I want to have details on the sheath, since I have to make one.

Congratulations! is the handle rhino horn?

Andy Davis 9th February 2006 03:11 PM

OK so its not so new a Dha
 
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Hi all
Well actually this is my oldest piece. That is, the first serious weapon I bought and still one of my favourites and not seen on this forum or anywhere else too often.
A Dha with a clipped 2 blade I think we called it.
Did put it in about 2 years ago but nice to rephoto it, give it a polish and show it again. Awsome bit of blade construction in my opinion but the photos dont really show the changes in width and angles too well. Take my word for it then. Its good ;)
Cheers
Andy

Robert 10th February 2006 07:42 PM

My Latest Dagger
 
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This is the latest addition to my collection. The age I believe to be late 19th to mid 20th century. Grip is horn with brass fittings. The blade is double beveled on one side only, the other side is flat. Both edges are sharpened from the decorative filing to the tip. The sheath was described as being either sheep or goat skin but it is paper thin which I have never seen before. It has shrunken so badly over the years and is so brittle that it is almost useless. As usual I would appreciate any comments or information you would like to give on this item, especially on the care and preservation of the sheath. Thank you.


Blade 12-3/4" in length
Blade 1-3/16" wide at hilt
Blade 3/16" thick at hilt
Hilt 4-3/4" in length
Guard 2-7/16" wide


Robert

Panton 10th February 2006 09:15 PM

...gaucho knife, once again without a sheath.....will I ever own a complete piece?
But then.....nice vintage filework.

Robert 12th February 2006 07:53 PM

Greetings Panton and welcome to the forum. I was thinking with the decorations on the blade and the overall design of this dagger that it was more likely from the Philippines than South America. It does show a great deal of Spanish influence in its design but I have never seen a gaucho knife of this style before. Do you by chance have any reference to ones of this style? I would really be interested in seeing them. What really puzzles me is what the scabbard is made. Would anyone else care to make any comments on the dagger or scabbard?


Robert

ariel 12th February 2006 09:12 PM

Nice Karud!
Artzi mentioned several times on this Forum that the way rhino-horn was cut for this particular handle indicates Bukharan origin. Am I quoting him correctly?
The blade is wonderful: real wootz, intact, elegant.
A wet dream of a knife..... :cool:

Luc LEFEBVRE 12th February 2006 09:46 PM

Gbaya, Ngbaka, Ngombe, throwing knife CONGO
 
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The last I bought, throwing knife from the Gbaya, Ngbaka, Ngombe, tribes of the north of Congo.
XIXth
44cm height, 35cm width.

kino 13th February 2006 12:57 AM

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Picked up this, bling wearing kid, yesterday. On the hilt side of the wooden
handguard is a veneer of horn, under the horn is a round piece of cloth.

Spunjer 13th February 2006 02:24 PM

holy fo-shizzle! nice silver work on that tenegre. with a dated coin at that... i wonder if that's the year it was made? did it came with the scabbard? regardless, nice acquisition, kino..

kino 14th February 2006 12:32 AM

Spunger, No scabbard. I don't think the bolo was made on the same date
that on the coin. Maybe late 19th, early 20th Cent.

Battara 14th February 2006 01:51 AM

I'm with Spunger, beautiful silver work and craftsmanship on the tenegre (grumble, grumble, envy, envy....).

M ELEY 14th February 2006 09:45 AM

Colonial fur-trade spike axe/tomahawk
 
Ebay item #6251660306. Got it for a steal (money is tight right now, but I couldn't resist a bargain!). These true tomahawk axes (the weapon/tools of ealy America) were just as real as the so-called trade pipe tomahawks. Used by soldiers, frontiersmen and Indians, they are very misunderstood and so bargains can still be found. This one dates to 1790-1840 (height of the fur trade) and the "nail pulling slot" is actually a beaver trap chain pull (squared off cut). Although not ethnographic in the classic sense, still unusual enough to be of interest and an important part of istory...

Titus Pullo 14th February 2006 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Davis
Hi all
Well actually this is my oldest piece. That is, the first serious weapon I bought and still one of my favourites and not seen on this forum or anywhere else too often.
A Dha with a clipped 2 blade I think we called it.
Did put it in about 2 years ago but nice to rephoto it, give it a polish and show it again. Awsome bit of blade construction in my opinion but the photos dont really show the changes in width and angles too well. Take my word for it then. Its good ;)
Cheers
Andy

It's very crude, but very affective weapons, nonetheless! I read that the Thais, and other Tai speaking people, which include the Laotion, Shan, and some group living in southern China and Vietnam, are originally from the Southern Southeast Asia and the Islands around there. It is believe the ancestors of the Tai people are very much like the Daic people, who actually might be the more ancient group of Tai speaking people; they live on Borneo, Northern Phillipines, and other parts the South. They then reimmigrated back to the mainland Asia and then spread southward into Southeast Asia. There is a smiliarity between the Tai and Daic people's language. Also, If you look at the way these people fight, they also like to fight with machetes, which ofcourse are similar to the Thai and Shan machete like swords.

"No guts...no glory!"

kino 26th March 2006 02:16 AM

Yataghan
 
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Picked this one up at the Gun Show. The seller had it on his table for over a year. I couldn't pass it up after he asked me to name my price. Has some damage with rusted blade, but it still retains its beauty. Where is this Yataghan from.

kino 26th March 2006 02:22 AM

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Three more from todays gun show excursion. One in need of dental repair. The silver Kakatua has damage and the blade is sporting some nicks.

ibeam 26th March 2006 08:41 AM

Great Pieces.

Share some pix when you clean them up and back from the DENTIST. ;)

Spunjer 26th March 2006 04:36 PM

Quote:

One in need of dental repair....


hey, he reminds me of mang isko, the drunk that used to hung around nanay pacing's carenderia, LOL...

Dajak 26th March 2006 07:20 PM

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Hi this is my latest

kino 26th March 2006 08:29 PM

That's a nice one D. I've been looking at that for a while. I like that fabric
wrapped scabbard, a fullered blade, and the Ivory kakatua.

Spunger,
I also recall back in the day, a man with a smashed grill hanging around the Sari-sari store, looking for someone to kick him down some tuba. LOL!

VVV 27th March 2006 11:14 AM

A beautiful Kris!
I have also had my eyes on this one for a while.
The fabric on the scabbard is very interesting and I haven't seen
that before. Do you know the meaning/purpose of it?

Michael

Dajak 27th March 2006 06:33 PM

Hi Michael this signs are also used by headhunters from Assam to Borneo
It is an very big Kris it looks more an sword The Ivory pommel is very big.
The first time it was for sale I was to late but he get it back an than I was the first to get it.

I normally don t collect this stuff but this one I like.

kronckew 27th March 2006 07:14 PM

thought i'd add in my flyssa, not exactly my latest but quite recently aquired:

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gladius/flyssa01.jpg

Spunjer 27th March 2006 08:17 PM

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latest acquisition:

here's a


...sword.


can anyone shed a light on this whether it's filipino or indonesian? handle is carabao horn, pommel appears to be a bat, and it has a peened tang. ferrule is brass.

OAL=28"
blade:
length=21.5"
widest point=2"
thickness closest to the hilt=3/8"

Tim Simmons 27th March 2006 09:06 PM

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This arrived this morning. From areas south of Lake Victoria 66cm long but only a 5cm diameter head so more of a gentleman's club than that of a warrior, could still give someone a very unpleasant whack.

VVV 27th March 2006 09:08 PM

I recognise Spunjer's beauty from eBay. ;)
Think it's Visayan and related to this one

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1906

Michael

Spunjer 28th March 2006 07:04 AM

michael,

the handle design does look similar, from the way the grip is designed, to the copper/brass cap on the pommel. also the blade is generally similar in design. a fellow forumite informed me that it might be of dyak origin. my initial hunch was luzon, batangas to be exact; not sure tho...

VVV 28th March 2006 08:34 AM

Spunjer,

I doubt that it has anything to do with Dayaks.

Michael

mross 28th March 2006 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV
A beautiful Kris!
I have also had my eyes on this one for a while.
The fabric on the scabbard is very interesting and I haven't seen
that before. Do you know the meaning/purpose of it?

Michael

Dajak, Kino, VVV;
Could you let me know where this Kris came from? It seems several of you had
a eye on it, and I'm always looking for places to feed my addiction. So could you
let me know your source?
Thanks,
Mike

kino 29th March 2006 12:33 AM

Spunger, good catch. It looks Bisaya to me, but what do I know.

Mross, PM sent.

Dajak 29th March 2006 05:37 AM

Hi Mross this kris was for sale By an european weapon dealer

http://www.ashokaarts.com/edgedweapons/edgedweapons.htm

His name is Stefan and I met him several times when he visit my country.

Very high class weapons he have.

Valjhun 29th March 2006 05:22 PM

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My latest... I'm happy!! :D

Spunjer 1st April 2006 06:38 AM

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latest one:

barung with a bigger-than-your-average-handle:

OAL= 25.5"
Blade= 18.25"

comparison with other barungs (third pic)

galvano 1st April 2006 07:29 PM

my latest acquision
 
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today. your comment

Flavio 1st April 2006 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by galvano
today. your comment



GREAT :eek: !!!!!!

Ian 1st April 2006 08:17 PM

Ron:

The full length tang with brass butt cap and peened over tang speaks of Luzon. The bat head suggests Batangas, as does the blade shape, brass ferrule and small guard. I vote Batangas (Luzon) for this one.

Ian.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer
latest acquisition:

here's a


...sword.


can anyone shed a light on this whether it's filipino or indonesian? handle is carabao horn, pommel appears to be a bat, and it has a peened tang. ferrule is brass.

OAL=28"
blade:
length=21.5"
widest point=2"
thickness closest to the hilt=3/8"


Ian 1st April 2006 08:23 PM

Ron:

Nice acquisition.

The middle one of the three, with the longer than average punto, might come from the Samal people (Tawi-Tawi) in the Sulu Archipelago. There are others here more knowledgable than I am about the finer distinctions among barung hilts.

Ian

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer
latest one:

barung with a bigger-than-your-average-handle:

OAL= 25.5"
Blade= 18.25"

comparison with other barungs (third pic)


Ian 1st April 2006 09:37 PM

Palawan bolo (Tagbanua people)
 
Here is a recent acquisition that comes from the Tagbanua people of central Palawan. It has several features that resemble Moro weapons -- notably, the shape of the hilt and scabbard, and okir engravings on each. I have not been able to determine if the Tagbanua are a tribal group of Muslims or if they simply copy the weapons style of the Palawano or other Moro groups.

In any case, this bolo bears a striking resemblance to a bangkung.

OAL in scabbard = 21 in.
Length of blade = 14.75 in.
Length of hilt = 5 in.
Thickness of blade just in front of hilt = 3/16 in.

Ian.




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