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VANDOO 27th February 2014 01:09 AM

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I RECENTLY AQUIRED THIS UNUSUAL CLUB. IT IS FROM SAMOA AND WAS COLLECTED IN 1931 UNFORTUNATELY SOMEONE RESTORED THE WHITE INFILL WITH SOMETHING OTHER THAN LIME. THE FORM IS UNUSUAL AS IT IS A PALM FROND FORM THAT HAS BEEN ALTERED TO INCLUDE A CARVED CANOE ON ONE SIDE. IN SAMOA AS WELL AS OTHER ISLANDS THE CANOE IS A SIGN OF WEALTH AND POWER AND PLAYS AN IMPORTANT PART IN THEIR SOCIETIES. THIS CLUB IS 31.5 IN. LONG AND IS THE ONLY EXAMPLE I HAVE SEEN OF ITS TYPE. THE CANOE IS HOLLOWED OUT BUT WOULD STILL STRIKE A NASTY BLOW.
IN TIME THIS FORM MAY HAVE BECOME TRADITIONAL OR IT MAY HAVE SERVED SOME PURPOSE IN THE TRIBE. EITHER WAY IT WOULD BE A GOOD WEAPON AS THE WOOD IS HARD AND HEAVY AND WELL BALANCED.
PIC. #1. THE SAMOAN CLUB/ CANOE VARIATION. 31.5IN.L.
#2. A CARVED SAMOAN CANOE FROM THE SAME TIME PERIOD. 23.25 IN. LONG
#3. 15IN.L. SAMOAN WOODEN AX CLUB
#4. 26 IN.L. CIRC 1960, WOOD NIFO OTI FORM
#5, #6, #7. 31 IN. L. BILATERAL TOOTHED CLUB
#8. 76 CM. WOOD NIFO OTI FORM

blue lander 6th March 2014 11:29 PM

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This thread inspired me to buy a modern war club off e-bay. It just arrived today and it's pretty nice, but there's a sticker on the butt that says "MADE IN INDONESIA"

VANDOO 7th March 2014 05:50 AM

THERE IS A NEW CLUB SIMULAR IN FORM 5 POSTS BEFORE YOUR POST. PICTURE #4. SHOWS A CLUB MUCH LIKE YOURS SAID TO BE MADE IN APIA SAMOA. IT IS UNFORTUNATE WHEN THINGS ARE CARVED IN A DIFFERENT CLUTURE AND COUNTRY AS IT BECOMES AN ITEM WITH NO ETHINOGRAPHICAL CONTEXT. IT DOES EXHIBIT THE LIKENESS OF THE FORM WELL ENOUGH AND WITHOUT THE TAG ONE WOULD TAKE IT AS A MODERN SAMOAN TOURIST CLUB. IT DOES REPRESENT THAT FORM OF CLUB ADEQUATELY BUT HOPEFULLY THE PRICE WAS LOW. I WISH THEY WOULD MAKE SOME CLUBS FROM THEIR CULTURE THOUGH AS IT LOWERS THE PRICE ON THE CLUBS THAT ARE BEING MADE IN SAMOA BY SAMOANS.

blue lander 7th March 2014 03:30 PM

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The price wasn't too bad, less than $100, and I'm actually fairly happy with it as a hand made decorative piece. The auction description said it was made of vesi wood, I wonder if it really is.

I've uploaded the photo from the auction and it looks like it's propped up on the same rock as several of the clubs from your post. I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch to assume any club with a similar picture was made in Indonesia as well. The "Made in Indonesia" sticker is very small and lightly glued to the bottom of the handle so an unscrupulous seller could easily remove it.

VANDOO 8th March 2014 12:29 AM

YES IT WOULD APPEAR MANY OF THE CLUBS CURRENTLY ON EBAY AS WELL AS SOME OF THOSE RECENT ONES PICTURED ABOVE IN THE POST MAY BE FROM THE SAME SOURCE AS YOUR CLUB. IT HAS TO BE THE SAME ROCK AND FISH POND AREA IN SEVERAL PICTURES. SO I GUESS THE BEST WAY TO COLLECT THE MODERN ONES FROM SAMOA WOULD BE TO VISIT SAMOA BUT EVEN THEN CHECK FOR SMALL TAGS. :rolleyes: WELL IT DOES SERVE AS A WARNING AND SUPPLYS NEW INFORMATION ON SOME OF WHAT IS ON THE MARKET THAT IS NOT LEGIT.

VANDOO 24th March 2014 08:32 PM

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A INTERESTING VARIATION OF NIFO OTI CLUB RECENTLY CLOSED ON EBAY. IT WAS RATHER LARGE FOR THE TYPE 51 INCHES LONG AND 10 POUNDS. THE WORD SAMOA IS CARVED ON IT SO IT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A OLDER TOURIST PIECE FROM SAMOA, LIKELY AROUND 1930'S. THE UNIQUE FEATURE IS THAT IT HAS TWO SPIKES ON THE TOP EDGE.
picture #1,#2,#3,#4 the club mentioned above.
#5. 14.5 in. long samoan club
#6. 2 samoan clubs longest 26.5 in. L
#7. 21.5 IN. SAMOAN CLUB
#8 & #9. 60 CM. LONG 1900 SAMOAN CLUB.

kronckew 7th July 2014 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by blue lander
The price wasn't too bad, less than $100, and I'm actually fairly happy with it as a hand made decorative piece. The auction description said it was made of vesi wood, I wonder if it really is.

I've uploaded the photo from the auction and it looks like it's propped up on the same rock as several of the clubs from your post. I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch to assume any club with a similar picture was made in Indonesia as well. The "Made in Indonesia" sticker is very small and lightly glued to the bottom of the handle so an unscrupulous seller could easily remove it.

i found a similar one on e-pray. unfortunately i did not find your post before that. reasonably nice display club, evident rough carved tool marks, stained black then carved to show a light brown wood underneath. sold as 'samoan' and again, vesi wood. i suspect the wood probably would look better unblacked as a nice grain appears in the carved bits. 20 inches, hemp wrapped grip. 354 grams. luckily fairly cheap, especially compared to the other offerings of hawaiian shark toothed koa wood.

nice 'made in indonesia' sticker. easily removed. surprised hawaiian vendor didn't bother to remove it, while he needs to update his online descriptions, at least he left the sticker on. i think i'll stick to maori clubs for the moment ;)

i'll do a bit more caveating of my emptors in future. :D

blue lander 7th July 2014 04:21 PM

I was half tempted to return mine, but I decided to keep it since as you say it looks nice and it appears to be hand made. I don't recommend playing with it much, the hemp wrapped around the handle is just glued on, and will eventually slide off if you handle it too much.

ward 7th July 2014 06:28 PM

Barry,

Your pics and posts are invaluable.

thanks

kronckew 7th July 2014 06:30 PM

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re:hemp wrap.

i noticed that, mine was loose at the front already, and only the last few turns near the 'pommel' end were glued. i tightened it as much as i could & soaked tre cord in a 50:50 mix of outdoor acrylic wood glue & water, gluing it further to itself as well as the handle. seems to have worked. been debating whether to give it a hand rubbed boiled linseed oil finish as the wood appears a bit dry. the edges of the main section are sharper than i expected. they would definitely hurt if used. i am however not intending to go into battle with it.might kill a melon tho...

i thought the axe shaped ones were a bit too touristy. i now note they may be closer to the real thing :rolleyes:

p.s. - i photoshopped out the traditional perch rock, it was same as yours! :D


p.p.s. - i just was struck by the last photo in vanadoo's post no. 38 above. the artist must have been scared by a viking longship. looks just like one of their dragon figureheads. :) is this evidence the viking made it to the south pacific? thor heyerdahl, where are you when we need you?

dvpriem 12th July 2014 12:13 AM

Possible Samoan War Club
 
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My father was on the SS Mariposa and went to Samoa and Fiji in 1935. He brought back a club. It does not look like a tourist item and he said it was an authentic "war club". Based on clubs I have seen on this site, and those with simple designs and some simple ribbing, I think it may be Samoan. Can anyone enlighten me whether if it is Samoan and what "type" of club it is? Club is 30 inches long.

kronckew 3rd August 2014 06:29 PM

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.. Can anyone enlighten me whether if it is Samoan and what "type" of club it is? Club is 30 inches long.

it does look like others in this thread. i'm not one of the experts, hopefully one will be along soon to classify it. looks like a nice one tho.

VANDOO 4th August 2014 04:04 AM

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dvpriem YOUR CLUB DOES APPEAR TO BE OF SAMOAN ORIGIN AND MOST CLOSELY MATCHES THE BANANA LEAF FORMS. UNFORTUNATELY MOST OF THE PICTURES IN THIS POST UNDER THE BANANA LEAF FORM ARE FROM TONGA. YOUR EXAMPLE IS A BETTER EXAMPLE OF THE SAMOAN INTERPRETATION OF THE FORM. IT DOES NOT HAVE THE SUSPENSION LUG ON THE BUTT AND HAS A SET OF RIDGES AND THE WHITE SHELL INLAY THAT IS COMMON ON WW2 AND OLDER SAMOAN CLUBS. CONGRATULATIONS ITS A NICE EXAMPLE OF THE FORM AND LOOKS TO BE WW2 OR OLDER
PIC'S OF A COUPLE MORE EXAMPLES OF SAMOAN ITEMS.
1. 27 IN.LONG. CLUB
2. 45 IN. LONG DANCE SPEAR 1960'S
3 & 4 & 5. 29 IN. LONG CLUB UNUSUAL NOTCHED STRIKING/THRUSTING END.

VANDOO 18th November 2014 03:18 AM

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A FEW MORE SAMOAN CLUBS FOR REFRENCE.
#1. & #2. 20 INCH L. SHORT CLUB
#3. 19TH CENTURY CLUB/ SWORD, 33INCH LONG, BLADE 14.5 IN. NIFO-OTI TRADE BLADE.
#4. 32.5 IN. SAMOAN WOODEN SWORD CLUB
#5 & # 11, SMALL SAMOAN SOUVINER CLUB DATED 1942, UPOLU WESTERN SAMOA
#6. & #7. SAMOA CIRC 1850 TO 1899 , 76 CM. LONG UNUSUAL UNILATERAL TOOTHED FORM
#8 THRU # 10. 67 CM. LONG

VANDOO 4th May 2015 07:34 PM

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#1. & #2. samoa nifo oti form club variation with inset steel blade 24 in. long
#3. & #4. samoan ear form of club, 78 cm. L. 19th. century
#5. old trade card samoan shiefs procession 1903 card
#6. old trade card samoa tree houses 1903
#7. King Maleitoa samoa 1875
#8., #9. & #10. 65 cm. long samoa toothed club
#11. 22 in. samoan club
#12. modern samoan souvineer clubs.

VANDOO 4th May 2015 08:16 PM

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#1. REPLICA CLUB DISPLAY, MUSEUM
#2. BILATERAL TOOTHED CLUB
#3. SAMOAN NIFO OTI FORM CLUB
#4. OLD SAMOAN CHIEF WITH GUNS
#5. OLD PRINT SAMOA, VARIOUS WEAPONS
#6., #7. & #8. 47 INCH, SAMOAN CLUB WITH 8 SETS OF RIDGES
#9 & #10. EARED CLUB SAMOA
#11 & #12. OLD FORM OF SAMOAN CLUB

VANDOO 3rd September 2015 05:21 AM

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HERE IS A INTERESTING SET OF CLUBS SAID TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO NOVA SCOTIA BY A SAILOR CIRCA 1920. THEY APPEAR TO BE CARVED BY THE SAME CARVER AND MOST LIKELY MADE IN SAMOA. THE FORMS ARE A BIT DIFFERENT BUT THE CARVING IS WELL DONE BUT MOST LIKELY CEREMONIAL OR ARTISTIC TOURIST ITEMS. PATINA AND WEAR ABOUT RIGHT FOR 1920'S AND THE WOOD TYPE.
#1 & #2. 1920'S 29 INCH CLUB THE STRANGEST OF THE LOT
#3. , #4. & #5. 1920'S SAMOA 41 INCHES LONG
#6. & #7. 1920'S SAMOA 34 IN LONG
#8. & #9. 1920'S SAMOA 32 IN. LONG
# 10., #11, & #12. 1920'S SAMOA 40 INCHES LONG

VANDOO 3rd September 2015 07:24 PM

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A FEW MORE
#1. , #2., & #3. THE LAST CLUB IN THE SET OF 6 ,SEE FIRST 5 IN ABOVE POST. IT IS HEAVY AND 4 SIDED WITH THE SAME CARVINGS ON ALL SIDES. 35 INCHES LONG
#4., & #5. ANOTHER UNUSUAL FORM OF SAMOAN CLUB. 26.5 INCHES LONG.
#6., & #7. 25 X 6 INCHES SAMOAN WITH BONE INLAY
# 8. 33 INCH SAMOA CLUB
#9. & #10. 43 INCH SAMOAN SPEAR STAFF FORM CLUB/SPEAR
# 11. 22 INCH NIFO OTI WOOD CLUB

VANDOO 3rd September 2016 12:21 AM

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#1.,#2. & #3. A TYPE OF SAMOAN POLE CLUB WITH SEVERAL SIDES
RATHER THAN ROUND LIKE THOSE FROM FIJI AND TONGA, 28.5 INCHES LONG.

#4., #5, #6. & #7. ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE ABOVE CLUB FORM. 19TH
CENTURY, 36 INCHES LONG. THIS TYPE OF CLUB HAS BEEN REFEREED TO AS
FACETED.
#8., #9., #10., & #11. SAMOAN DESCRIBED AS, FA ALAUTALINGA ,29.5
INCHES LONG.
#12. WESTERN SAMOAN CLUB 1942 SMALLER BUT SIMILAR TO THE #1 CLUB.

drac2k 25th September 2016 09:39 PM

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As per your request; it measures 31"long and is quite heavy for it's size.You advised me that it was Samoan, probably 1920's, 1930's and that the letters indicated Missionary influence.Any chance you know what it spells out or are they just random?

VANDOO 25th September 2016 10:02 PM

THANKS FOR ADDING THIS EXAMPLE. :D I SUSPECT THIS WRITING IS RANDOM AS FAR AS WE CAN DETERMINE. IT MAY HAVE HAD SOME MEANING TO THE ONE WHO WROTE IT BUT IT APPEARS IT IS NOT WRITTEN IN PROPER ENGLISH SEQUENCE OR ALL LETTERS RIGHT SIDE UP. IT MAY JUST BE HIM SHOWING HIS KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITY TO MAKE LETTERS NO DOUBT HIS FAVORITE ONES OR THE ONES HE COULD DO BEST. GIVEN ALL THAT HE WRITES MUCH BETTER ENGLISH THAN I COULD WRITE IN SAMOAN. :D

drac2k 26th September 2016 02:02 AM

My pleasure ; I'm honored that you wanted it in your post.

VANDOO 24th December 2016 09:11 PM

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#1. & #2. SAMOAN FANCY CEREMONIAL DANCE CLUB, 24 IN X 6.75 INCH. WIDE
#3. SAMOAN NIFO OTI 37 INCHES LONG
#4., #5. & #6. NIFO OTI, 40 IN. LONG CIRC. 19TH CENTURY
#7. SAMOAN FORM SAID TO BE TONGAN 62 CM. LONG
#8. & #9. UNUSUAL SAMOAN NIFO OTI WITH ROWS OF TEETH ON BOTH SIDES 90 CM. LONG
#10. SAMOA 1800'S CLUB 24 LONG X 10.5 INCHES WIDE
#11. SAMOA , 29 INCHES LONG, FAALAUTALINGA ?
#12. PICTURE AT SAMOAN MUSEUM

VANDOO 24th December 2016 09:24 PM

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A FEW MORE FROM SAMOA TO FINISH UP THE YEAR, NOT MUCH INFORMATION
#8 IS SAID TO BE SAMOAN WITH TONGAN CARVING STYLE AND DESIGN BUT WITH ( WHITE LIME INLAY COMMON FOR SAMOA BUT NOT TONGA)


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