Ethnographic Arms & Armour - Flamberg Two-hand Swords, late 16th-Early-17th Century

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Originally Posted by Swordfish

Attached is a photo of a real knigtly two handed sword (length 146cm) dating 1400-1450, similar to one of the Castillon find. If I would have the opportunity to acquire such a one, I would clearly prefer it compared with the giant bearing sword(and a giant price) in the Tower.

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Originally Posted by cornelistromp

there are only 2 longer swords 9 ( 1 1/2 and 2 hander) known from castillon find with a scent stopper pommel, Clive Thomas pommel type B-3, both differ from the magnificent, this aside, sword what you have posted. (where is this sword from)
they don't have a fuller and they both have a castillon group B type of cross.

to which castillon sword do you refer exactly? Hermann Historica 2006 lot 2012 ?

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with picture of HH 2006 lot2012.

Yes, this was the one to which I refered. I know that there are differences, therefore I have mentioned it only as similar. The Castillon sword has the same scent stopper pommel, but this pommel type was less in use in Western Europe than in Central Europe, where it was extensively used. The cross has globular ends, which were not or rarely seen in German depictions of the period 1400-1450, but were also in use in Germany after c.1460. See the fencing book of Hans Thalhofer of 1467 with Twohanders with the same cross type. The favoured cross type used in Germany during 1400-1450 was a straight faceted cross with expanding ends like the one I posted, and depicted in the earlier fencing book of 1459 by Thalhofer.

The blade of the Castillon sword is also broader (5,5 cm) and the whole sword a little longer (145,5 cm) compared with the sword I posted. This is 142cm long(146cm was a wrong size) with a width of the blade of 4,1 cm. The weight of the sword is 1,7 kg. If I remember right the Castillon sword had a weight of more than 2 kg when I examined it at the auction viewing.

Two very similar Twohanders (except that the cross is of round section) as the one I posted are depicted in the book Waffen im Schweizerischen Landesmuseum pic.54 and 55.

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yes, absolutely correct.

I know these swords in Zurich but was curious about the sword you posted.
it is very aesthetic in dimensions and form.

BTW there is a closer sword to the castillon 2 hander in this museum with a similar cross with globular finals and a similar blade (XVa) geometrie und nr LM8096.
however this sword does not have a pommel type T/b3 but a type V (fishtail) and is dated later around 1450.

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A matching Twohander on an effigy of Georg von Seckendorf+1444, Church Heilsbronn.

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thanks, Very nice match!
Can you post a picture of the brass inlay?

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Here's the picture, unfortunately I have no higher resolution availiable.

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Please forgive me for being childish enough and not resisting to post this; it exemplifies a reproduction sword and underlines what I said in post # 5 about common disproportions in the presentation of sword and armor.
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Is that you in the picture, Michl :eek:

Sorry to disappoint you, 'Nando,

You know I'm not that slim and young any longer. :eek:

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Michl

The original of a sword is stored in the Czech Republic

The original of a sword -estoc is stored in the Czech Republic

Good catch, Axel.
Thanks for sharing.