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zamboanga 7th November 2005 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick
Hi Zel , Mr. 'slovak' has been dismissed .
I sincerely hope you will continue to post .

We do our best to keep the place swept . :o


Mabuhay ka! and the rest of the mods :)

Ian 7th November 2005 04:22 AM

Walang anuman

Ian.

zamboanga 7th November 2005 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LabanTayo

Now, my opinion of the swords that started this throwdown.
1. Its a newer made sword to resemble a Barong with the locals twist of style added to it. I think Palawan because of the curvy lines or Basilan because of the belt notch carved into the scabbard, just like Pira scabbards, but I'm sure Zamboanga can have a better opinion, considering his location.

Hi LabanTayo,

I agree with you that it is a newly made sword. I'm sure it's maranao-made and I agree with Battara's earlier comment that it is made for the market.

My tausug and yakan friends are thrown in a frenzy whenever they see these on the market. They don't know whether to laugh or cry. :D :D :D

Battara 7th November 2005 05:57 AM

First to the moderators - salamat po! :D

Secondly, Zelbone, I do wish you would post more. I and others with whom I speak learn much from you and others like yourself on this forum. :o :D

Third, Zamboanga, I'm curious what the Yakan and Tausugs do say about these that come on the market. :confused:

zamboanga 7th November 2005 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara
First to the moderators - salamat po! :D

Secondly, Zelbone, I do wish you would post more. I and others with whom I speak learn much from you and others like yourself on this forum. :o :D

Third, Zamboanga, I'm curious what the Yakan and Tausugs do say about these that come on the market. :confused:

Maybe I can sum up their thoughts as follows:

To them these are simply barong wannabees. The blade profile is wrong; the puhan profile is wrong; no ukkil on the puhan; the blade is usually thin and not laminated, etc. And mostly of all, these are not made or produced by people who are historically associated with the barong.

In essence: paraded as barongs, now that makes them laugh. To attract such a high price because of this pretension, that makes them cry.

Battara 7th November 2005 10:20 AM

Thank you, Zamboanga. This is helpful. I have noticed that same thing in this description, and wonder about the types I have seen that are so narrow (and thin) that I question that they are truly barongs. Some call these sipput, though I cannot say that I have examined all of this type. Certainly those similar to what we are discussing are not what I have called "legitimate" but in respect to those who have objected, I don't use the term "tourist" in public.

MABAGANI 7th November 2005 08:54 PM

Zel, holding back? any new info on the demonhead "sundang"...lol

LabanTayo 7th November 2005 10:49 PM

Mabagani,
The news is that they're calling it sundang in the south, north and middle, and sometimes in hong kong, they call it siao pao.
They used to be called talibong in the mid 40's and bolo in the 70's.
Before 1898, they were called espada.
I hope that clarifies everything for ya. :)

btw, that was total sarcasm......

themorningstar 8th November 2005 12:57 AM

"Do not try and say its a sundang. That's impossible. Instead ... only try to realize the truth."
"What truth?"
"There is no sundang."

-sorry... i couldn't resist.... plus zel took my line....

but honestly.... it really would just be accepted as a sundang...

p.s. apologies for the matrix-like comment


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