THE CLUB APPEARS TO BE A PIECE OF RATTAN WHICH TIED ITS SELF IN A KNOT NATURALLY OR PERHAPS WAS DONE INTENTIONALLY AND THEN HARVESTED WHEN IT WAS THE PROPER SIZE. THE VINE CAN GROW RAPIDLY SO EITHER IS A POSSIBILITY. IT IS EVEN POSSIBLE TO INSERT A ROCK AND LET THE VINE GROW AROUND IT TO MAKE A CLUB. GOOD OLD EXAMPLE OF A PHILIPPINE CLUB AT LAST :cool: . IN MY EXPERIENCE RATTAN IS NOT VERY HEAVY OR HARD THOUGH SO I WOULD SUSPECT THERE WERE OTHER SORTS OF WAR CLUB MADE TOO.

The date is correct, Sultan Harun Al Rashid was installed by the Spanish in 1886 and abdicate in favor of his cousin in 1893. He was exiled in Palawan until his death. He has a resident in Jolo from 1886-1893.

Pretties!

All from the mid-late 19th C. Own several of these.

Thanks L !

: )

Marc, muchas gracias! :)

Gav, glad I can contribute to the body of knowledge. But the real thanks should go to the subject museums because they are very generous and helpful.

Vandoo, thanks for those insights.

Reichsritter, your expertise in Moro genealogies among others is surely well appreciated.

Manuel, the pics below are from the Victor Balaguer museum. The weapons sit side by side with the cabinets containing Filipino weapons. Would they be Spanish?

Thanks again to all.

Lorenz,

I have greatly enjoyed pouring over these photos - Thank you for taking the time to document your visits and to post all the photos you have...

Thanks too. I enjoyed compiling the pics as well :)

Incidentally for everybody's info, here's a list of Filipino items I saw on display at Museo del Ejercito (the army museum), in Toledo:

A. ETHNOGRAPHIC SECTION

1. ME(CE) 43366: kampilan, Phil., Jolo archip., donated by Lt. Col. Fernando Molina in 1895

2. 43399: ligua [i.e., head axe], Phil., island of Luzon 1840; steel and wood, shaped & carved; donated by Lt. Gen. Narciso Claveria in 1850

3. 43020: cris, donated by Datto Dacula, ruler of Mindanao and Jolo, Phil., islands of Jolo and Mindanao, 1835; steel, wood, and vegetable fiber, shaped and carved and embossed; donated by Capt. Fernando Halcon in 1839

4. 120072; 120088; 120093; 120096; etc. - pics of Moros and other Filipinos

B. ESTADO LIBERAL SECTION

1. 43108: armadura [Moro armor]; armadura del Sultan Datto de Iligan

2. 43108.01: campilan; with disc and hair decoration at hilt

3. 43012.01[?]: campilan

4. 43219 - escudo [Kalinga-Igorot shield]

5. 43402 - ligua o hacha [head axe]

C. THE REFORMATION OF THE MONARCHY SECTION

1. 43075: machetes Filipinos [i.e., one left- and one right-handed chisel edged tenegres, with silver cladding on the 'monster' pommels] de Valeriano Weyner [a top general in the Phils. then];

2. 43397: machete golok; 1890-1895 [this is a typical Luzon tabak with a D-guard]

3. 43235: standard for the katipunan oath [green and red thick textile, with "KKK" and sun symbol, and with tassels on all edges]

4. 43393: mandil de Katipunan [with an image of a Spaniard's decapitated head being held by a hand, and an image of a dagger on the other hand]

D. [SECTION??]

1. 42280: campilan

2. 43219: escudo [Mindanao; this is the typical hour-glass shaped shield with sun symbol at the middle]

3. 43166: machete talibong [this is the typical Cebu variety]

4. 43266: machete barong

5. 43015: cris

6. 43292: machete panabas

E. ROMEO ORTIZ SECTION

1. 43461.01: armadura [Moro armor]

2. 43461.03: armadura, kurab-a-kulang

What a wonderful thread!
Thanks for all your effort.

Are there any good collections in Manila that can be viewed by the public?

When I lived there I was privileged to visit the home of Ramon Tapales in White Plains. He had an outstanding collection.

But, at that time (1975-81), the museums in Manila and Baguio were a great disappointment.
All the good pieces were in private collections.

Thanks for the comment. I'd say that even up to now, many excellent pieces continue to be in private collections.

I'm not familiar with Ramon Tapales. But I'll find out if he still keeps them. Thanks for the info.

All that I can add is that I hope that your travels were as exciting and informative as you hoped they would be and to thank you for all the effort that you have put into sharing all of these wonderful photos with us here at the forum.

Robert

hi robert. it was a very successful trip. i got more than what i bargained for :) and the staff from the spanish museums were all super helpful. thanks too for the note. regards.

Yes, they are!

: ) : ) : )

Pretties!

Gracias L

M

Well... Spanish, potentially Spanish or Spanish colonial, yes, I agree with Manuel.
The axe is probably the most contentious one, and the dagger is a figurative 19th c. exemplar, generically "European".
Can't blame the people at the museum for not being more specific, they are probably doing their best, and this is, after all, a specialized knowledge.

about that rattan 'club'[?] above, i stumbled upon this pic of a similar 'device' found at the prambanan temple. still not sure if there is any relationship at all. but maybe it will provide clue ...

An uncanny similarity, great detective work!