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Sajen 15th May 2019 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul
YW Detlef :) ..... My source is the people who used them.
As for the coins (I used to be a passionate numismatist in a previous life), they appear to be (can't be too sure from the photo) pre-RepublikIndonesia coins(see attached example). Please judge for yourself.

BTW ..... the obverse of the example states : Netherlands Indies while the reverse side has two scripts, Soenda (outer) and Djawi (inner). Both state: 1/10 roepiah.(I'm a bit rusty on this, so please excuse any mistake).
Thank you again Amuk,

I really think that you are very correct by all observations. The sword I've posted seems indeed from very recent manufacture and I think that the coins are similar to the one you have shown, I know this coins from own handling many times before.
The blade is 0,25 Inch (0,6 cm) thick near the handle! :)
And thank you again for proving a "name" for this type of swords. Do you know also which use was given to this swords?

Regards,
Detlef

Amuk Murugul 15th May 2019 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Sajen
Thank you again Amuk,

...... Do you know also which use was given to this swords?

Regards,
Detlef
Hullo Detlef,

Thanks for your response.(I was just about to go offline :) )
The isaw was the precursor to the njaboer. It was their implement before they were driven out by the Kajaan/Kenjah. They only got the njaboer after their interaction with the Bandjar while they were in "exile", prior to their returning to assert themselves.

Best,

Sajen 15th May 2019 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul
Thanks for your response.(I was just about to go offline :) )
The isaw was the precursor to the njaboer. It was their implement before they were driven out by the Kajaan/Kenjah. They only got the njaboer after their interaction with the Banjar while they were in "exile", prior to their returning to assert themselves.
Hello Amuk,

Great given informations! Thank you again! :)

Regards,
Detlef

Amuk Murugul 15th May 2019 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Sajen
Hello Amuk,

Great given informations! Thank you again! :)

Regards,
Detlef
Hullo Detlef,

YW.
Glad it is of some use to you.

Tschau,

asomotif 15th May 2019 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Sajen
Hello Willem,

Thank you for posting the link. This seems to confirm that there are real antique examples in collections.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Sorry, but the overall brown patina on this example is not my idea of "real antique"
Same goes for the hacksaw markings.

I am going to leave this discussion now. :shrug:

Best regards,
Willem

kai 16th May 2019 07:09 AM
Hello Willem,

I assume that Detlef refers to AM’s linked thread rather than the pics hosted on the other linked site. AM’s pic does not show much detail but seems to be a younger example by his own definition?

Any really old example available - pics, anyone?

Regards,
Kai

Albert 16th May 2019 08:27 PM
Dallas Museum of Art
 
In the collection of the Dallas Museum of Art is a similar sword.
See one of the photos on https://www.artoftheancestors.com/borneo.
Unfortunately, I don't have any additional information on this sword, not even an inventory number. :shrug:

Ian 17th May 2019 11:15 AM
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Hello Albert. Always good to hear from you and thanks for the link. Here is the sword that you referred to. A very nice example of the style.



Ian.


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asomotif 17th May 2019 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Ian
Hello Albert. Always good to hear from you and thanks for the link. Here is the sword that you referred to. A very nice example of the style.

Ian.
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Dear Ian,

Is there a link to more info regarding provenance / age / where collected ?

Best regards,
Willem

Sajen 24th May 2019 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by kai
I assume that Detlef refers to AM’s linked thread rather than the pics hosted on the other linked site.
No, Detlef refers to the link was given from Willem. :rolleyes: But he have seen it only on his smartphone and don't look again to the sword on a pc screen again and and have overlooked the ironic comment from Willem and may have been still under shock from a heavy car accident he have had a few days before. Sorry about any confusion! Of course he agree complete with Willem! ;)

Ian 25th May 2019 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by asomotif
Dear Ian,

Is there a link to more info regarding provenance / age / where collected ?

Best regards,
Willem
Unfortunately not. There is nothing to describe this sword on the site that Albert referenced.
Ian.

Sajen 12th June 2019 11:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul
YW Detlef :)As for the coins (I used to be a passionate numismatist in a previous life), they appear to be (can't be too sure from the photo) pre-RepublikIndonesia coins(see attached example). Please judge for yourself.

BTW ..... the obverse of the example states : Netherlands Indies while the reverse side has two scripts, Soenda (outer) and Djawi (inner). Both state: 1/10 roepiah.(I'm a bit rusty on this, so please excuse any mistake).
Yes, you are correct regarding the coins, here some pictures from the attached coins.


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