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I do not know whether there translation into English of the article Masalsky ... I have his article in Russian. If you want, I can send it to you by e-mail. |
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Colleagues, I have found one historical source of the mid-19th century (art Masalsky 1841), where we are talking about wootz. But it turns out that this historical source says that in the middle of the 19th century has been wootz smelted.
Surely no one knows the English historical sources 19th century on this topic ... |
It is virtually impossible to place captain Massalsky in the vicinity of Central Asian Khanates. In the 1830s both British and Russians were totally impotent to establish a foothold there. Travelers, spies and diplomats were thrown into dungeons and publicly beheaded: remember Stoddard and Conolly. Russians were treated no better. Massalsky wouldn't stand a chance of ever bringing any information back. Only after Russian conquest of Central Asian Khanates, building a railroad for quick transportation of troops, series of brutal repressions and actual demilitarization of the area ( while keeping local Khans in a semblance of power) could anybody " come and observe". But that was after ~ 1865.
On the other hand, both nations openly competed in Iran, with military instructors hired by the Persians, diplomatic missions legally establishes, bribes given and accepted on a daily basis etc, Once again: Peter Hopkirk's "The Great Game". Set a weekend aside, find a comfy chair, a bottle of a single malt and enjoy the ride! |
It is hopeless to attempt establishing the exact time of "disappearance of Wootz". Skills do not die on a particular date, they just wither.
Nobody would argue with a proposition that wootz was still manufactured in India and forged into blades in the middle of the 19th century. Just it was not as intensive as in the middle of the 18th or even in the first half of the 19th. From there on, wootz went into a free fall, and for a multiplicity of reasons ( see above) by the end of the 19th century its production as well as manufacture of wootz blades came to a screeching halt. Could there have been an occasional example of a newly-made blade? Yea... But that was just a proverbial " one swallow" of no practical or historical significance. |
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In 1820 - 1821 years, captain of the Russian army E.K.Meyendorf visited the Emirate of Bukhara . After the expedition, he wrote a book: The Journey from Orenburg to Bukhara. In 1842, merchant and explorer Khanykov traveled to Bukhara Khanate. His book was published in 1843: "The description of the Bukhara khanate." You know the Russian language, as I remember? Then you can easily read this book. If anyone is yet interested, this book was created and in English: "Bokhara, its amir and its people". Translated by the baron Clement A. de Bode. London, 1851. |
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I'm curious to know: 1) Is there any historical sources (messages travelers of the 19th century, for example), who argue that in the mid-19th century, the production of wootz steel in India has stopped. 2) whether there are documents that say that in India in the 19th century, banned the production of wootz steel. I would be grateful if you answer these my questions. |
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I do not know how ideas emerge that Masalskoe watched Damascus steel smelting in Central Asia. It seems to me that it is certain speculations of modern writers (perhaps for the sake of their ideas). I argue only that what writes Masalskoe. He's in his article never mentions: Central Asia, Bukhara, Bukhara residents or Uzbeks. But he constantly writes about the "Persians". It is logical to assume that Masalsky the observed process wootz steel smelting in Persia. |
Once again, I re-read the Lord Egerton. He writes about how to produce wootz in India. And I have not found any information on the termination of wootz steel smelting. Maybe I just missed something? Correct me please.
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"That is why following the Indian mutiny in 1857; the British ordered the destruction of all the Wootz swords" The author makes reference to a historical document, mention of this event (The original source of the 19th century)? Quote: "Finally, it was the dumping of British iron that completed the destruction of the industry. Campbell stated: "Among the most extensive of the exports of England to India, is the trade of bar iron, which to Madras alone amounts to 1000 tons per annum" , as I understand it is a "logical conclusions of the author"? That is, author does not provide any historical documents that speak to cease production of wootz steel in the 19th century? Again, only indirect data? We all the time we see the work of contemporary writers who bring their thoughts about with what could be related "death" wootz steel in the 19th century. It is interesting. But even more interesting to see the historical documents. |
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We will search further :) |
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http://www.swordforum.com/forums/sho...Persian-Swords http://www.swordforum.com/forums/sho...Persian-Swords https://ncc.academia.edu/AnnFeuerbach |
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The Encyclopaedia of Islam, Sir Hamilton Alexander Rosskeen, 1954.
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Do I understand correctly that in this passage from an article talking about the fact that in 1840 in Bukhara produced wootz on old technology? |
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One question I have....did Persia actually produce wootz steel, I know they produced steel but was it wootz, or did they import their wootz and just forge the blades in Persia. |
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At the same time there is no doubt that the finest blades of wootz steel is made in Persia. |
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estcrh, I read a books last days of Russian travelers. Those travelers who were in Persia and Bukhara Khanate in 1820-1900 years. Based on their descriptions - in Persia produced wootz.
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