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AvtoGaz 30th March 2024 09:18 PM

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Armenian warrior from Zeytun

gp 30th March 2024 11:49 PM

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Kalmuk from a most interesting geographic book from 1618

Bob A 31st March 2024 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen (Post 287295)
This picture looks like it shows Dayak warriors! :confused:

The sword shouldered by the central figure appears to be of particularly rare form of belato, associated with Nias island.

Sajen 31st March 2024 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob A (Post 289939)
The sword shouldered by the central figure appears to be of particularly rare form of belato, associated with Nias island.

Hello Bob,

I don't think so, it's a mandau with the edge pointed to his throat. See also the handle in his hand. ;) Also the blowpipe, shields and costumes are Dayak.

Regards,
Detlef

Rick 31st March 2024 02:10 AM

The item link in the posts above shows other items at the bottom of that page for sale which is not allowed. :(

gp 31st March 2024 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen (Post 289940)
Hello Bob,

I don't think so, it's a mandau with the edge pointed to his throat. See also the handle in his hand. ;) Also the blowpipe, shields and costumes are Dayak.

Regards,
Detlef

FYI: I got this picture from an old Dutch book about the Dutch Indies on the Alifuru in the Moluccan islands...

so I think our friend Detlev might be correct, as the literature of those days might contain some errors but nevertheless it concerned the Dutch colonial region .

Some more pics on the Mena Muria'warriors from the Moluccans .
The last pic are Honitetu-Alifuru dancing the tjakalele Piru, Ceram 1912

Sajen 31st March 2024 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick (Post 289941)
The item link in the posts above shows other items at the bottom of that page for sale which is not allowed. :(

I don't know what happened, I just copied the picture, sorry!

Ah, now I understand, it was the link provided by Bob.

Bob A 1st April 2024 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen (Post 289940)
Hello Bob,

I don't think so, it's a mandau with the edge pointed to his throat. See also the handle in his hand. ;) Also the blowpipe, shields and costumes are Dayak.

Regards,
Detlef

Thank you; I had noted the handle, but was overexcited by the blade shape.
You're of course correct about the accoutrements.

I should shave with Occam's razor.

gp 2nd April 2024 12:40 AM

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Lavian Riflemen, AKA "strelniki"

Part of the Russian Imperial Army, in WW I about 30.000 men around 1917
Some later joined the Bolshevik revolution and hence its army
The majority remained in Latvia to protect the country due to an internal strugle and instability,
caused by 3 governments fighting for control ( German, Sovjet and Latvian) untill Latvia's independance 1920/22

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...&postcount=343

a couple more pics of these soldiers and their swords

gp 2nd April 2024 02:57 PM

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two sculptures by Jean Francois Theodore Gechter ; one an Ottoman warrior and the other a scene from the battle of Aboukir

Ian 3rd April 2024 09:03 AM

gp, do you know who the king on horseback is supposed to be?

gp 3rd April 2024 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian (Post 290012)
gp, do you know who the king on horseback is supposed to be?

Unfortunately not: the only title on this sculpture is “ Guerrier à Cheval “ , i.e. warrior on horse and made end 19th century. Sometimes “Ottoman” added to warrior on some of the literature describing this piece of art.

gp 8th April 2024 08:26 PM

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with reference to a resent topic, one of the early pics in "the West" of these fierce and feared warriors

"Janissaire, Chef-Arciere, Comandante, et Bourreau Turc - XV -XVI Siècle" acquaforte originale ca. 15,5x25,5 cm by Raphael Jacquemin (1821 - 1881)
in a book of maps published by Delatre Paris in 1870

gp 10th May 2024 11:11 PM

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some CDV's from the Ottoman Empire around 1860/70

gp 6th July 2024 12:19 AM

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a few postcards from the DACH region between 1885 - 1913 with halberds:

Bob A 19th July 2024 10:01 PM

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Period Photo of Armenian circa 1880

gp 27th July 2024 12:58 AM

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some nice Balkan pics, Macedonian, Greek and Albanian amongst them.
Between 1875 - 1905

Ian 27th July 2024 06:18 AM

Borneo sketches by Samuel Francis Marryat
 
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Figuure 1. This is a well known etching of an Illonaon (Ilanun, Iranum) pirate that was published from a water color and ink sketch by Samuel Francis Marryat, a French artist who traveled through Borneo in 1848. The site of the sketch is indicated as Tampassook, Borneo. I have also extracted a blow-up of the sword held by this individual and the keris he wears at his waist.

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Figure 2. This appears to have been that pirate's paraw. The figure aft looks very much like the individual in the initial picture, and is wearing identical clothing. At the bow on the lower deck is a large lantaka, a bronze cannon that was used widely in the South China Sea.
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Figure 3. In another sketch, Marryat records a (not very friendly) encounter with a Datu (possibly the Sultan) in Bruni, and his retinue (1848). There is one fellow standing in his canoe who is carrying what appears to be a kampilan, and doing his best to look tough. The other standing figures appear to be women, perhaps the brides of the Datu/Sultan. An interesting composition that captures some tension in the moment.
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Figure 4. "Procession of the Sultan of Gonong Tabor" (1848). Another Marryat sketch. The flag bearer in front has a sword while the other members of the party mostly carry a spear and shield, and wear a keris. The Sultan wears a sword and keris.
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Figure 5. The last Marryat sketch I could find online was this one of Dayak women (no weapons visible).
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gp 29th July 2024 12:38 PM

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one from Smyrna an another Russian

gp 1st August 2024 10:53 AM

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one pic from Dajaks from Serewak , all others from Atjeh
sources: several museums in NL

gp 20th August 2024 09:11 PM

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Most people know Goya from his work "The Disasters of War (Spanish: Los desastres de la guerra) " being a series of 82 prints created between 1810 and 1820 : https://artfacts.net/exhibition/goya...-sleeps/895569

but also most interesting is a painting called The Second of May 1808, also known as The Charge of the Mamelukes (Spanish: El 2 de mayo de 1808 en Madrid, La lucha con los mamelucos or La carga de los mamelucos)
Created: 1814. Medium: oil on canvas . Dimensions: 8'9" x 11'4" in Museo Nacional del Prado (Prado Museum); Madrid, Spain.

Having been on an exhibition of Dali - Goya , Dali loved and was inspired by Goya, specially his war topics. As a result you can see some influances on Dali's 'The Battle of Tetuan', 1961 .

Enclosed both paintings , some details and 2 studies of Dali

gp 25th September 2024 07:27 PM

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sword handling and dances, just like collecting them.... is mostly male dominated,
but women do also are present...
as these dancing ladies from Asia, through the Arab world to the Balkans clearly show...

Pertinax 25th September 2024 08:39 PM

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Bride

gp 30th September 2024 02:06 PM

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another lady but except for the Husar-like uniform, have I no clue from which country and which regiment....

Anybody any idea?

David R 1st October 2024 12:55 AM

Austro-Hungarian Empire.

gp 1st October 2024 09:21 PM

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some more Husars, King William III of Holland, some German and French and one of Luzern.
What I like is the difference in swords

gp 1st October 2024 09:22 PM

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gp 8th October 2024 07:37 PM

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with regards to Tasa's contribution "The Ottoman Art of Bladesmithing" a few pictures of the lads...

gp 12th October 2024 09:22 PM

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some pics of the Morlachs; a Slavic people in the areo around Herzegovina, Lika and the Dalmatia, often in service of Venice

francantolin 12th October 2024 11:37 PM

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Here a picture of the wife of a famous south italian bandit
named Ninco Nanco from Basilicate-Lucania .
The band , chief and wife fight against the Savoy soldiers that wanted with lot of violence to conqueer south Italy during the italian '' unification''.
Maria fighted as a man and Ninco was considerated in the region as some kind of Robin Hood,
stealing ( and killing ) lot of soldiers and rich insiders and then helping poor people and priests.


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