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Sajen 3rd October 2023 02:51 PM

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Three pictures of the Aeta people (Negritos) on Luzon.

Changdao 3rd October 2023 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen (Post 285133)
Three pictures of the Aeta people (Negritos) on Luzon.

Those are some huge bows in proportion to their height!

Ian 4th October 2023 05:56 AM

Changdao, the Aeta people are very short. Men were commonly under five feet tall, but with improved nutrition their average height has increased a few inches since the early 1900s. They are still among the smallest demographic groups in the Philippines.

Gavin Nugent 15th October 2023 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by estcrh (Post 218281)
Here are two rare photographs, they show what was certainly among the very last of the mounted Indian warriors. I found the first photo awhile back, recently I ran into the second photo. These two photos were obviously meant to be seen together, they are labeled #38 and #39. I edited both photos and created a new image showing both side of this Indian warrior in one photo.

Indian warrior from Orchha. Mounted Indian warrior with a tulwar sword, wearing mail and plate armor (zirah bagtar), helmet (khula khud) and arm guards (dastana), he is holding a very long lance and there is a shield at his side.

Great photos! Thanks for sharing and editing.

I have a heavy duty Indian spear here of similar length.

I've often thought it was Mughal heavy cavalry, perhaps even Sri Lankan in origin as there are similarities to a very long old Sri Lankan lance here, however, I remain uncertain as the large one does not have the taper and POB like the one in the images.

Thanks again for sharing!

DavidFriedman 15th October 2023 05:49 AM

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What year was this photo of the two with long sabers?

Ren Ren 15th October 2023 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidFriedman (Post 285409)
What year was this photo of the two with long sabers?

I think this photo was taken between 1880-1920. It will be possible to say more precisely if you are lucky enough to find the original image.

gp 24th October 2023 09:30 PM

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no photos but drawings from an older period

Gavin Nugent 23rd December 2023 03:39 AM

A link from another discussion, Chota Nagpur

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19768

cyten 28th December 2023 10:33 AM

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Tangiers

Sajen 28th December 2023 11:12 AM

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A warrior from Galela, Halmahera. There is my wife born, in Galela.

gp 29th December 2023 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen (Post 287271)
A warrior from Galela, Halmahera. There is my wife born, in Galela.

terima kasih banyak tuan D , thnx a lot Mista D.

Hereby some more pics of the North / utara Maluku from the Alifuru people

and best wishes to your most charming wife ...Ratu Rumah !

gp 29th December 2023 12:52 AM

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and some more pics how their tradition is kept alive, both at home and in NL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKWtW6XnsCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLFh7mS3TNc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp9pH_5bkzY

Happy new Year to all of you / selamat tahun baru ♥

Sajen 29th December 2023 02:58 PM

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This picture looks like it shows Dayak warriors! :confused:

Sajen 29th December 2023 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen (Post 287271)
A warrior from Galela, Halmahera. There is my wife born, in Galela.

Taken from Willy Kükenthal, "Im Malaysischen Archipel. Forschungsreise in den Molukken und in Borneo". 1896

Sajen 29th December 2023 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by gp (Post 287283)
and some more pics how their tradition is kept alive, both at home and in NL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKWtW6XnsCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLFh7mS3TNc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp9pH_5bkzY

Happy new Year to all of you / selamat tahun baru ♥

Selamat tahun baru!

These pictures shows Alfuren from Ceram IMVHO.

gp 30th December 2023 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen (Post 287295)
This picture looks like it shows Dayak warriors! :confused:

talking Dayaks...

gp 30th December 2023 08:27 PM

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and whilst we are in the neighborhood...
an Algur from the Moluccans
2 pics taken in Halmaheira
a well to do gent from Java
a couple from Atjeh / Aceh
some pencak lads not to mess with
and some Molucccans
source: Rijksmuseum, National Foto Museum all in NL

gp 30th December 2023 09:13 PM

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3 pics by Dr. Henricus Marinus Neeb taken in Atjeh in the 19th century

gp 30th December 2023 10:20 PM

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and now some gents with moustaches from the Balkans ( Bulgar, Albanian, Greek, Macedonian, Montenegrin, Serb, Hercegowenian and Bosnian) not to mess with,
but as friends the best company you can wish for and...
having a drink some homemade stuff
( speaking from a drink experience with all the mentioned nationalities, except one )
☺☺☺

gp 30th December 2023 10:38 PM

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the last few...

the last gent's dress looks close to the uniform & sword to the one from The Spekulatius Cookie Hussar

Sajen 31st December 2023 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gp (Post 287332)
and whilst we are in the neighborhood...
an Algur from the Moluccans
2 pics taken in Halmaheira
a well to do gent from Java
a couple from Atjeh / Aceh
some pencak lads not to mess with
and some Molucccans
source: Rijksmuseum, National Foto Museum all in NL

This picture shows an Alfur from the Wemale tribes of Ceram. Rare type of sword he holds.

Sajen 31st December 2023 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by gp (Post 287332)
and whilst we are in the neighborhood...
an Algur from the Moluccans
2 pics taken in Halmaheira
a well to do gent from Java
a couple from Atjeh / Aceh
some pencak lads not to mess with
and some Molucccans
source: Rijksmuseum, National Foto Museum all in NL

This man doesn't look from Halmahera to my eyes, the shield is from Sulawesi and also the clothes looks to be from Sulawesi.
It seems that also old sources could be wrong.

Sajen 31st December 2023 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gp (Post 287332)
and whilst we are in the neighborhood...
an Algur from the Moluccans
2 pics taken in Halmaheira
a well to do gent from Java
a couple from Atjeh / Aceh
some pencak lads not to mess with
and some Molucccans
source: Rijksmuseum, National Foto Museum all in NL

Yes, that's typical Halmahera, salawaku and pade, also the dress is correct!

Sajen 31st December 2023 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gp (Post 287332)
and whilst we are in the neighborhood...
an Algur from the Moluccans
2 pics taken in Halmaheira
a well to do gent from Java
a couple from Atjeh / Aceh
some pencak lads not to mess with
and some Molucccans
source: Rijksmuseum, National Foto Museum all in NL

Moro people from Southern Philippines.

cyten 2nd January 2024 12:01 PM

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Maharaja Ranjor Singh of Ajaigarh

gp 12th January 2024 07:30 PM

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just got some Illustrated News papers from Germany, Austria and England between 1860 and 1900/1910

A nice one from Afghanistan

Changdao 13th January 2024 04:04 PM

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Yi people in Yunnan or Sichuan with their laquered leather armour and leather shields.

In addition, a Korean painting representing Sichuanese Ming dynasty troops under Liu Ting during the Imjin War (1592-1598). Some of the troopers are wearing armours identical to the Yi ones.

cyten 18th January 2024 11:28 AM

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India

gp 2nd February 2024 07:12 PM

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Dagestan and Tsakhur from the south

gp 2nd February 2024 07:15 PM

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back 2 the Balkans...

gp 2nd February 2024 07:16 PM

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and Tserkes

gp 17th March 2024 02:03 PM

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interesting also for art lovers amongst you...

after Rembrandt and Vermeer in the past, the Dutch Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam now has again a most interesting exhibition on Frans Hals, with paintings from all over Europe . It is till June and reservation is required.

I just returned and was "blown outta my socks" by the detail and beauty of his portraying of the cold waepons at that time, specially the grips / hilts. Look for youself and enjoy !

gp 17th March 2024 02:16 PM

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and the last couple of piccs

fernando 17th March 2024 05:52 PM

Splendid !!!

gp 19th March 2024 02:32 PM

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looking up something, I stumbled upon these 3 interesting items:

Three Arrowheads, circa 1437-39. Bohemia, probably Prague. Exhibited at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

These extremely large arrowheads, originally mounted on wooden straps, probably served as symbols of rank.

They are decorated with royal monograms and insignia as well as religious invocations. The three prongs bear the monogram of AR Albert, King of Bohemia and Hungary (reigned 1437-39). In one case the monogram AE is also found, probably for Albert and Elizabeth, his queen.

The right and left arrowheads bear the mark of the Turkish Arsenal, indicating that they were captured by Ottoman forces, perhaps during the campaign of 1439 during which Albert was killed, and then stored in the Turkish Arsenal in Constantinople.

fernando 19th March 2024 02:46 PM

Beautiful pictures, gp.
But ... where are the "People with Ethnographic Arms" in them ? ;).

gp 19th March 2024 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando (Post 289554)
Beautiful pictures, gp.
But ... where are the "People with Ethnographic Arms" in them ? ;).



guess perhaps room to start a new topic like these kind of historic items ?

but to please your puristic rule; picture added now

Solution to a question....;)

fernando 19th March 2024 02:57 PM

Yes, obviously a new topic indeed. This one has hardly something to do with it :confused:.

gp 19th March 2024 03:01 PM

...

fernando 19th March 2024 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gp (Post 289557)
guess the weapons were the most important item here to discuss, never thought we were puristic like the inquisition within a certain topic...:eek::):):)

C'mon gp. This is the one only topic dedicated to period people with Ethno weapons. As if you had no chance to post those arrowheads in a more adequate thread ... even in a new topic. I will skip over the puristic part !


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