Throwing spear, Sudan?

Pertinax · 2nd June 2024, 10:27 AM

Such spearheads have already been discussed on the forum. This is a short spear from my collection.

Specifications:
Total length – 690 mm, tip length – 415 mm

The wooden shaft is covered with the skin of a Nile monitor lizard; it can be assumed that the spear is from the Blue and White Nile regions.

I'd be glad to hear your comments.

Sajen · 2nd June 2024, 11:00 AM

Hi Yuri,

Nice and interesting spear! Have a look here: https://african-weapons.com//gallery?african-spears It's the site I use when I want to identify something from Africa. Special when it comes to spears!

Regards,
Detlef

Pertinax · 2nd June 2024, 11:14 AM

Hi Detlef, thanks!

I know about this site, but there are no copies with such handles.

You can see something similar here:
https://ertribal.com/index.php/triba...-monitor-sudan

Regards, Yuri

Sajen · 2nd June 2024, 11:16 AM

When it comes to the spearhead I see some similarity with this one from the Dinka people. https://african-weapons.com//gallery...on-point-41-cm

Sajen · 2nd June 2024, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pertinax

Hi Detlef, thanks!

I know about this site, but there are no copies with such handles.

You can see something similar here:
https://ertribal.com/index.php/triba...-monitor-sudan

Regards, Yuri

Yes, but only when it comes to the shaft.

Regards,
Detlef

Pertinax · 2nd June 2024, 12:08 PM

Here is an old topic on the forum:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4911

The 1st tip is the same as mine.

Sajen · 2nd June 2024, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pertinax

Here is an old topic on the forum:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4911

The 1st tip is the same as mine.

Jep, very similar! Crocodiles are and were common all over Africa.

Tim Simmons · 2nd June 2024, 01:57 PM

I wonder if there is a missing shoe part to this spear? It is not made to throw like a dart or a javelin type spear and most have some kind of shoe like a spike, knob or rectangular shoe.

Pertinax · 2nd June 2024, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Jep, very similar! Crocodiles are and were common all over Africa.

It's not a crocodile, it's a monitor lizard!

Pertinax · 2nd June 2024, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

I wonder if there is a missing shoe part to this spear? It is not made to throw like a dart or a javelin type spear and most have some kind of shoe like a spike, knob or rectangular shoe.

I received the spear in this form.
Perhaps this is a dart, or perhaps a later alteration, I don’t know, which is why I asked for advice.

Sajen · 2nd June 2024, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pertinax

It's not a crocodile, it's a monitor lizard!

Also monitor lizards are also common all over Africa!

2nd June 2024, 10:27 AM	#1
Pertinax Member Join Date: Dec 2023 Location: City by the Black Sea Posts: 156	Throwing spear, Sudan? Such spearheads have already been discussed on the forum. This is a short spear from my collection. Specifications: Total length – 690 mm, tip length – 415 mm The wooden shaft is covered with the skin of a Nile monitor lizard; it can be assumed that the spear is from the Blue and White Nile regions. I'd be glad to hear your comments. Attached Images

2nd June 2024, 11:16 AM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,765	When it comes to the spearhead I see some similarity with this one from the Dinka people. https://african-weapons.com//gallery...on-point-41-cm Attached Images

2nd June 2024, 11:00 AM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,765	Hi Yuri, Nice and interesting spear! Have a look here: https://african-weapons.com//gallery?african-spears It's the site I use when I want to identify something from Africa. Special when it comes to spears! Regards, Detlef

2nd June 2024, 11:14 AM	#3
Pertinax Member Join Date: Dec 2023 Location: City by the Black Sea Posts: 156	Hi Detlef, thanks! I know about this site, but there are no copies with such handles. You can see something similar here: https://ertribal.com/index.php/triba...-monitor-sudan Regards, Yuri

2nd June 2024, 12:08 PM	#6
Pertinax Member Join Date: Dec 2023 Location: City by the Black Sea Posts: 156	Here is an old topic on the forum: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4911 The 1st tip is the same as mine.

2nd June 2024, 01:57 PM	#8
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	I wonder if there is a missing shoe part to this spear? It is not made to throw like a dart or a javelin type spear and most have some kind of shoe like a spike, knob or rectangular shoe.